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way2roll

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schlep1967 wrote:

It would be interesting to talk to an engineer from the manufacturer. What is the limiting factor in the GCWR? Is it the brakes? If it is and the toad has a braking system is that covered? I know that doesn't change the number but it may be the reality.


From what I gather doing some reading, the limiting factor is the Engine/tranny Combo. The 340HP paired with the 2500 trans is what most manufacturers in entry level DP's use. In checking all their specs, the tow capacity ranges 3-4k where the specs are pretty consistent - GVWR is 26K and GCWR is 30K - give or take. Some owners claim that loaded for travel their actual weights are below the stated 26k giving them 5k in tow capacity. I also read the 340/2500 engine/trans combo max tow capacity is 5k. I know little next to nothing about diesel engine and transmissions so I can't validate any of that - it's just what I've been reading - Although it's pretty consistent thought across several forums.

If that is true, why bother putting a 10k hitch on it? Every single DP I looked at with this combo can only tow 3-5k. BTW, I am ok if the number is 4-5k. Anything less than 4k and it's a deal breaker.

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You really have to know what you need before you buy. If you want a particular motor home you have to settle for a toad it can pull, or if you want to pull a full size pickup realize you are going to need a DP.


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Ed C wrote:

You really have to know what you need before you buy. If you want a particular motor home you have to settle for a toad it can pull, or if you want to pull a full size pickup realize you are going to need a DP.


Specifically, you need a big DP, not the entry level DP.


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I am one of those racers that tow well over 10,000lbs as my 32ft 3 axel enclosed trailer weighs 5000lbs + a 3500lb car, arv, tools, fuel, etc. In 20+ years and 3 different DPs. Coast to coast and border and 1/2 a million miles with never a single problem. Proper hitch, brakes, and attention to driving all makes it happen. But you need to do whatever you are comfortable with and is legal as I have crossed many a scale also with never a question.

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ferndaleflyer wrote:

I am one of those racers that tow well over 10,000lbs as my 32ft 3 axel enclosed trailer weighs 5000lbs + a 3500lb car, arv, tools, fuel, etc. In 20+ years and 3 different DPs. Coast to coast and border and 1/2 a million miles with never a single problem. Proper hitch, brakes, and attention to driving all makes it happen. But you need to do whatever you are comfortable with and is legal as I have crossed many a scale also with never a question.


But what kind of rig do you have? It could be very well you are within capacity.

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schlep1967 wrote:

It would be interesting to talk to an engineer from the manufacturer. What is the limiting factor in the GCWR? Is it the brakes? If it is and the toad has a braking system is that covered? I know that doesn't change the number but it may be the reality.


As for the Ford F53 chassis: Ford states that the brakes are rated for the GVWR of the coach, not the GCWR, and recommends auxiliary braking systems when the combined weight of coach and towed vehicle exceeds the GVWR.

I have a Ford based coach with a GVWR of 24,000, a CCWR of 30,000 and a hitch rated at 5000. The coach weighs 22,500 loaded and pulls a car that weighs, rounding up, 5000 pounds. Thus my combined weight is 27,5000, leaving 2500 pounds of unused GCWR.

I wonder if the chassis is up to handling a hitch of higher capacity.

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way2roll wrote:

As some of you may have read we are shopping for a new coach to full/part time in next year. In shopping I came across some surprising info on capacity.

I know a lot of gassers with the 5k or 7k hitch actually have very little capacity when doing the math. What was a surprise to me is that some DP's also suffer from this. As an example, the Forza line, the difference between the weight and GCWR on some models is only 3k. Makes the 10k hitch almost useless. Our CRV is about 3500 lbs, never mind we also like to eat, have water and clothes.

I know the actual weight needs to be done in order to arrive at real world conditions, but off the shelf advertised weights of some of these coaches simply won't work. Do they rely on people not knowing or caring? Or am I calculating something wrong?

Anyway, found it very surprising for a DP. Makes shopping and finding models you like a real let down.

I noticed this, when friends bought a new 17 Pace Arrow, which is good for about 800lbs of towing capacity. Still they pull a jeep toad.
This DP's specs are even less than our old gasser, but only because of the GM tranny and most sure, that the tranny is the weak link with the Pace, as well.
On another note, our present coach is good for 15Klbs tow and 1500lbs hitch weight. Sounds good, along with more than a ton left of CCC, but just so happens that the rear axle is at max. when loaded, so probably not so good if pulling a heavy trailer.
Not a factor with our four down toad, but just saying.....
Oh well and just as long as they continue to install huge TV's and fireplaces, sales will continue to flourish.


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