Good Sam Club Open Roads Forum: Do I have this math/ understanding right?
Open Roads Forum Already a member? Login here.   If not, Register Today!  |  Help

Newest  |  Active  |  Popular  |  RVing FAQ Forum Rules  |  Forum Posting Help and Support  |  Contact  

Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Toy Haulers

Open Roads Forum  >  Toy Haulers  >  Toy Haulers

 > Do I have this math/ understanding right?

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 4  
Prev  |  Next
ford truck guy

Pennsylvania

Senior Member

Joined: 03/22/2008

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 05/22/20 02:26pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Huntindog wrote:

cptqueeg wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

Yep. By the time you add 4 people, firewood, a cooler full of beer, exta gas for the toys....you MIGHT have 2500 pounds of payload left. What's your tongue weight again?


From my research I know that Ford deducts 150lbs from payload for each seating position when they calculate payload. A dealer pointed that out to me and then I verified that little tidbit in the 2020 brochure.
This would be the first time I have heard of ANY manufacturer doing this.... I would love this to be true.
Can you provide a link?


It sounds like the dealers lips were moving..[emoticon]


Me-Her-the kids
2020 Ford F350 SD 6.7
2020 Redwood 3991RD Garnet


JIMNLIN

Oklahoma

Senior Member

Joined: 09/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/22/20 09:04pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Quote:

This is true, but one has to take into consideration how far to the rear those trailer tires are compared to a 5th wheel RV, even a toyhauler. There is a lot more overhang on a 5th wheel, so weight added to the very rear of the toyhauler will affect the hitch weight more than a stock trailer.

Having owned several 5th wheel rv trailers and even more different wheel base bumper and GN and one 5th wheel stock trailers I haven't found this to be true.
All stock trailers don't have the same over hang just like all toy haulers and or 5th wheel trailers don't have the same overhang.
However my point was about a trailer working like a teeter totter which it doesn't.


"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

'03 2500 QC Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs Westach
'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 two slides

fj12ryder

Platte City, MO

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/22/20 09:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You did make me curious as I live in the midwest, lots of stock trailers and all the gooseneck stock trailers I have noticed all have their wheels very near the end of the trailer, unlike an RV. So I did some online looking and almost without exception the gooseneck stock trailers of any length had their wheels near the end of the trailer.

The reason I mentioned this in the first place was because you stated:

"Its surprising how little weight is taken off the hitch when 4k-6k lbs of bulls are placed back there."

This whole thread was about the hitch/tongue weight removed/changed when loading up the toyhauler. So, when you look at a gooseneck stock trailer wheel configuration compared to a normal 5th wheel toyhauler, it really isn't surprising that very little weight changes, but you can't really compare the two since they are so different vis a vis, the amount of trailer past the rear wheels. Put 4k-6k lbs. of bull at the rear of a normal toyhauler and the hitch weight would change considerably. Which is probably why gooseneck stock trailers are designed the way they are.


Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

JIMNLIN

Oklahoma

Senior Member

Joined: 09/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/23/20 07:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

LOL....You just like to argue.
..... so you looked on line. Big deal Like I said I own them and I don't have too look online.
"Not all" stock trailers axles are farther back than a toy hauler and some 5th wheel rv trailers.
And not all stock trailers axles are set the same. I chose this particular brand/model because of the heavier axles that wasn't set far back like other brands/models so I could use my 3/4 or the one ton DRW.
I also own and transport cattle and horses and have been doing the dance since the '70s.

My 36' GN triaxle stock trailers axles and a 34' GN tandem dual axle flatdeck are no farther back than many toyhaulers I see parked next to me at truck stops or stock show events or stock sale yards.

rhagfo

Portland, OR

Senior Member

Joined: 07/06/2012

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 05/23/20 07:40am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

fj12ryder wrote:

You did make me curious as I live in the midwest, lots of stock trailers and all the gooseneck stock trailers I have noticed all have their wheels very near the end of the trailer, unlike an RV. So I did some online looking and almost without exception the gooseneck stock trailers of any length had their wheels near the end of the trailer.

The reason I mentioned this in the first place was because you stated:

"Its surprising how little weight is taken off the hitch when 4k-6k lbs of bulls are placed back there."

This whole thread was about the hitch/tongue weight removed/changed when loading up the toyhauler. So, when you look at a gooseneck stock trailer wheel configuration compared to a normal 5th wheel toyhauler, it really isn't surprising that very little weight changes, but you can't really compare the two since they are so different vis a vis, the amount of trailer past the rear wheels. Put 4k-6k lbs. of bull at the rear of a normal toyhauler and the hitch weight would change considerably. Which is probably why gooseneck stock trailers are designed the way they are.


You might be confusing stock and horse trailers also.
Typicality horse trailers have dividers to help support the horses while traveling, they also have an area in the front for storing tack.

This is a picture of my DD's four horse slant with small living quarters. The pin on this empty was about 2,700#, the axles are about centered under the center of the area the four horses would ride.

Getting new tires before towing home after purchase.

[image]


Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"


fj12ryder

Platte City, MO

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/23/20 10:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

rhagfo wrote:

You might be confusing stock and horse trailers also.
Typicality horse trailers have dividers to help support the horses while traveling, they also have an area in the front for storing tack.

This is a picture of my DD's four horse slant with small living quarters. The pin on this empty was about 2,700#, the axles are about centered under the center of the area the four horses would ride.

Getting new tires before towing home after purchase.

[image]
Thank you, a very clear illustration that shows what I'm talking about. Any weight added to the rear of that trailer is going to affect the pin weight very little.

azdryheat

Tucson, AZ

Senior Member

Joined: 03/02/2012

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 05/23/20 11:01am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I guess the proof in the pudding is weighing with and without stuff in the garage. Sure would tell me if my math was correct.


2013 Chevy 3500HD CC dually
2014 Voltage 3600 toy hauler
2011 Harley Ultra Limited
2016 RZR 900


fj12ryder

Platte City, MO

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/23/20 11:30am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

azdryheat wrote:

I guess the proof in the pudding is weighing with and without stuff in the garage. Sure would tell me if my math was correct.
Yup, the only way to tell for sure. All the rest is speculation.

valhalla360

No paticular place.

Senior Member

Joined: 08/19/2009

View Profile



Posted: 05/23/20 02:08pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

fj12ryder wrote:

azdryheat wrote:

I guess the proof in the pudding is weighing with and without stuff in the garage. Sure would tell me if my math was correct.
Yup, the only way to tell for sure. All the rest is speculation.


Not the only way...the easiest way.

Math does work but you have to trust that the manufacturer did his part of the math correctly and then you have to do the math on everything added. In the end it's easier to just take it to the scale.


Tammy & Mike
Ford F250 V10
2008 Copper Canyon 5er
Catalac Catamaran 34'
Full Time spliting time between boat and 5er


JIMNLIN

Oklahoma

Senior Member

Joined: 09/14/2003

View Profile



Posted: 05/24/20 05:19am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The horse trailers axle location in the picture isn't indicative of all horse trailers. But can be typical of rear stall units.
Center and front stalls axles can be farther forward. Stock trailers and flatdeck trailers are no different and all can have axles located like any toy hauler/5th wheel rv trailer or bumper pull rv trailers.

My stock trailers axle location isn't like the horse trailer in the picture.

Only way to know how much load difference is to weigh. I've seen some way out there math figures from load brokers and other drivers....but non found what the scale house found.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 4  
Prev  |  Next

Open Roads Forum  >  Toy Haulers  >  Toy Haulers

 > Do I have this math/ understanding right?
Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Toy Haulers


New posts No new posts
Closed, new posts Closed, no new posts
Moved, new posts Moved, no new posts

Adjust text size:




© 2020 CWI, Inc. © 2020 Good Sam Enterprises, LLC. All Rights Reserved.