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MEXICOWANDERER

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  • Calcium as an additive seems to accelerate hardened lead sulfate which means no removal or desulfation
  • Accelerate means hardening in perhaps one-tenth the time as compared to lead antimony. This is not the exact chemistry but it will suffice as being more understandable in general
  • Hybrid Plates is the new norm for car type RV batteries
  • 2% antimony positive plates and calcium additive negative plates
  • Uses less water than high 5% antimony true deep cycle battery
  • Best plate paste is colloidal lead in high percentage with a minimum of premium quality binders. This means using high purity grids
  • Expensive paste. Expensive binders
  • No substitute for thick plates
  • Many manufacturers BS their way with fairy tales but refuse to divulge positive plate thicknesss which demands better paste, better grids, and much more quality control
  • More and thinner plates is much inferior and much cheaper
  • That makes choosing a battery by weight alone irrational
  • Using computer laser robotics, Lifeline safely stuffs fewer but thicker plates and thinner but higher capacity matting into their batteries
  • Plate and separator alignment precise alignment are hyper-critical
  • Acid and electrolysis eats things for a living. A thick plate LIVES longer than a thinner plate
  • A critical factor of a better battery is how much abuse it can withstand yet recover
  • Golf car batteries, how much of a fight they offer when equalizing.


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Very informative. TY


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Posted: 06/03/20 12:32pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

What’s the question?

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Yaj wrote:

What’s the question?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's like Jeopardy where he gives the answer and you have to guess the question?


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I believe it was a piece on batteries the found interesting and shared.

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Ok so there isn’t a question. Interesting post. Mex’s opinion or research. I’m glad he posted it.

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I thought I answered BFL13s question.
As a degreed engineer I can write my own white papers.

And they will withstand peer review.
There is far too much unsupported information about lead acid batteries

And my comments about other chemistries is extremely limited except for the fact they have not existed in the marketplace long enough to conclude authoritative retail consumer longevity data.

Reality may be cruel or kind. But there is merely a single truth devoid of opinion

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dedmiston wrote:

Yaj wrote:

What’s the question?

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's like Jeopardy where he gives the answer and you have to guess the question?


He was partially answering my very on-topic question about lead- calcium AGMs that was deleted (by mistake, in haste, I suppose) at the end of the closed AGM thread.

It took some effort to build that deleted post with its three links and it was bang on topic. I still don't have most of the info I asked for about different kinds of AGMs in that post. It is a PITA to have to rebuild it, since it also disappeared from my "view posts" collection, and cannot be simply copied. [emoticon]


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BFL13 wrote:

He was partially answering my very on-topic question about lead- calcium AGMs that was deleted (by mistake, in haste, I suppose) at the end of the closed AGM thread.

It took some effort to build that deleted post with its three links and it was bang on topic. I still don't have most of the info I asked for about different kinds of AGMs in that post. It is a PITA to have to rebuild it, since it also disappeared from my "view posts" collection, and cannot be simply copied. [emoticon]

I'm very sorry.

I think we all wish that thread had gone differently.

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No worries, I will try again later.

We will all have to watch out for the new broom ! [emoticon]

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