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silverbullet555

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Grit dog wrote:

IMO, don’t screw up your boat trailer unless you plan on keeping it forever.
It’s a solution with limitations even for you and will not be desirable to most buyers.
If you don’t trust your hitch with the required length of extension bar and don’t want to shell out for a super hitch, just get a heavy 2.5” receiver and a solid bar extension.
$300-400 will get you everything you need.
FWIW, I’ve been towing a 6000lb + boat/trailer for years on the OE receiver on the 07 Dodge with more than 500lbs tongue weight. Idk what it weighs but 2 men can’t lift the tongue of the trailer up.


That's a fair point. Solving the boat trailer would have made it less desirable for someone else though I already did that by putting electric brakes on it. Also, modifying the tongue of the trailer doesn't do anything if we someday buy another trailer or another boat which is certainly something we look at as I would like a fishing boat for some of the rivers. The tongue weight concern was mostly with it becoming too low causing sway in the trailer. There would have been little we could do to fix it at that point.

To somewhat close out this thread for those that look.

I ordered Hellwig 3500LP springs and their swaybar to give some lift and stability to the rear end.

I found a supertruss locally used for $330 which is now sitting in my garage. My hitch is a 2" hitch so unless I find an extension that exceeds the 6100 lbs, I'll bight the bullet and add a superhitch to the back of the truck.

All told, this $3100 camper will cost me $5500-$6000 after upgrades to the truck, additions to the camper, etc. I still haven't decided on the final tiedown system. I'm hoping to find a torqlift system used locally. I missed one last week.


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All told, this $3100 camper will cost me $5500-$6000 after upgrades to the truck, additions to the camper, etc.


Isn't that how it always goes?

I had purchased the Happijac and tie downs when I purchased my previous camper so I don't count those.

The only "upgrade" I did to my truck was airbags and this last time I bought better tires.

The camper however is a different story. I paid $5000 for it and I'm in to it at least another $5000. $3000 of the $5000 was for a new generator.

I seriously doubt that I could buy what I have for $10,000 and I have ended up with more than I had hoped for.


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ain't nothin cheap about RVing


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mountainkowboy wrote:

ain't nothin cheap about RVing


Same with boating

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silverbullet555 wrote:

mountainkowboy wrote:

ain't nothin cheap about RVing


Same with boating


try horses fastest money pit on the planet. I could buy a new car in cash every two years for what the upkeep on the horse runs...


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Buzzcut1 wrote:

silverbullet555 wrote:

mountainkowboy wrote:

ain't nothin cheap about RVing


Same with boating


try horses fastest money pit on the planet. I could buy a new car in cash every two years for what the upkeep on the horse runs...


How bout a divorce??

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Buzzcut1 wrote:

silverbullet555 wrote:

mountainkowboy wrote:

ain't nothin cheap about RVing


Same with boating


try horses fastest money pit on the planet. I could buy a new car in cash every two years for what the upkeep on the horse runs...

Yes, but your wife and best friend loves her horses.[emoticon]

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Grit dog wrote:

silverbullet555 wrote:

Kayteg1 wrote:

I had air bags on my flatbeds and loved them.
But 600lb tongue weight will squat F250 alone, so with camper you are walking thin lane. Will you need hitch extender?
For side to side control timberines (?) might be better and if you don't have rear sway bar, get 1 for sure


I'm actually going to measure the trailer today. I'm hoping the tongue on the trailer is long astroworld merch enough that I may not need an extender. It would save me over $1K ***Link Removed***here? Even if I have to remove the tongue box I installed a number of years ago .

It also brings up the question, would it be cheaper and better to have the trailer tongue extended than to put on a 20K hitch and get an extender? I might have to go to a fold away tongue if I do that, but other than some wiring extensions, it shouldn't be too rough to have done.


If you think it's close to working with no extension, a 12-24" extension in the OE hitch will work fine unless you have alot of tongue weight.
Air bags, you're shopping for the Cadillac of automatic systems. Unless you somehow will need to adjust air frequently, you can get a set of bags manual fill for like $250.
True story on the bags unloading the suspension. Will likely want a sway bar and then some wedges and stable loads so you load the suspension up quicker in the travel range.


I use air bags and extended bump stops to engage the spring overloads. It works for me. I don’t think it’s possible...

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I ordered Hellwig 3500LP springs and their swaybar to give some lift and stability to the rear end.

All told, this $3100 camper will cost me $5500-$6000 after upgrades to the truck, additions to the camper, etc. I still haven't decided on the final tiedown system. I'm hoping to find a torqlift system used locally. I missed one last week.


That Helwig helper springs should be all you need for that TC..I had a 8.6 Lance on a 3/4 Ford with those springs on to haul a heavy fifth wheel..I have had two truck campers on that Ford without needing anything else...

As to the money spent,you only have to do it once and remember..LOL..I bought to much truck for this last TC because of where I travel in the mountains and the sidehill type roads..Don't throw anything out and don't include the extra's you bought if you sell your TC...May need them later..

I have not put a penny in either my new to me truck or the truck camper because I was very picky and remembered the other truck campers and what they needed and what you had to have and what you do not have to have...I take that back..I did by a horse mat..LOL

I had horses for hunting and they are spendy and why I eventually sold them..Pasture/hay etc adds up if you don't own acreage to keep them..They require a lot of time and effort...They are a nice addition to a truck camper for hunting though...


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I ordered Hellwig 3500LP springs and their swaybar to give some lift and stability to the rear end.

All told, this $3100 camper will cost me $5500-$6000 after upgrades to the truck, additions to the camper, etc. I still haven't decided on the final tiedown system. I'm hoping to find a torqlift system used locally. I missed one last week.


That Helwig helper springs should be all you need for that TC..I had a 8.6 Lance on a 3/4 Ford with those springs on to haul a heavy fifth wheel..I have had two truck campers on that Ford without needing anything else...

As to the money spent,you only have to do it once and remember..LOL..I bought to much truck for this last TC because of where I travel in the mountains and the sidehill type roads..Don't throw anything out and don't include the extra's you bought if you sell your TC...May need them later..

I have not put a penny in either my new to me truck or the truck camper because I was very picky and remembered the other truck campers and what they needed and what you had to have and what you do not have to have...I take that back..I did by a horse mat..LOL

I had horses for hunting and they are spendy and why I eventually sold them..Pasture/hay etc adds up if you don't own acreage to keep them..They require a lot of time and effort...They are a nice addition to a truck camper for hunting though...


Some of the service roads we go on might be sporty, but other than too bumpy I think will be ok. It's going to be lots of slow going during deer and elk season. Antelope season it should be pretty flat.

I have no intention of replacing this truck anytime soon. So, while we could upgrade campers, the springs, swaybar and other improvements should be long term investments. And, when it is time to change trucks, I'll be sure to pull that stuff off.

Now I need to find helper springs for our 1988 Suburban since it is towing the boat on weekends a lot more. If I don't have to unload the camper, I really don't want to.

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