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Gdetrailer

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Posted: 06/29/20 09:03am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ajriding wrote:



It is less safe to have that Pilot towing at the top of it's rated range, than using a big truck or suv to tow at the low end of its range, but...

If the Pilot is towing it, though slow on hills and white knuckle at speed, then it may be cheaper to rag this vehicle out to the end of its life than to sell it and buy another vehicle.


OK, that certainly is sending mixed messages to the OP.

On one hand you admit the OPs Pilot may be at the top of it's rated range and the other hand you are telling the OP that it might be cheaper to continue on using their Pilot until the end of it's life in spite of it's maxed out capability and "white Knuckle driving experience in order to "save some money" on trade out time.

Saving them a couple of pennies loss in a vehicle UPGRADE now most likely will result in HUGE losses in money down the road continuing to use the Pilot at it's max capability..

The cost could be transmission, brakes, engine, cooling system and many other high wear parts at the most inopportune time.

However, the tragic cost may come at the expense of the OPs and or other motorists lives when that vehicle/trailer combo comes unhinged and causes an fatal accident.

If the OP does not feel comfortable driving a poorly handling tow vehicle combination then they should stop driving it and get a more capable vehicle that is more suited for their trailer.

SAFETY should come first, not money.

I have in the past driven poor tow vehicle/trailer combos, but I did not know better, it is not fun, it does not "save money" having to fix things that should not have broke and under the wrong conditions may test out and exceed the OPs driving skills beyond expectations.

A properly matched tow vehicle/trailer combo should never result in a white knuckle experience under normal circumstances (weather, driving conditions, at highway speed, ect).

A badly matched combo starts out from the beginning with poor handling and white knuckles below or near highway speeds. If OP does not feel comfortable at highway speeds then why tell them to continue driving this combination?

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I drive a 2011 F150 Supercrew cab, long bed with 3.5L EcoBoost, 6 speed as a daily driver & towing a 3500 pound TT. The truck is a max tow with all of the towing toys. When on the highway without the camper, doing 70 mpoh I get about 20 mppg. If I slow down on state roads I sometimes get 22 mpg. When towing, I get 9.5 to 11 mpg doing 60 mph. To stop some of the complainers, I stay off of the Interstate when possible so the slower speeds are not a problem most of the time. My adult kids love using the truck for road trips because the back seat area is huge and comfortable.


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Posted: 06/29/20 08:01pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Durb wrote:

Look at the Canyon/Colorado pickups from General Motors with the 4 cylinder Duramax diesel. As I recall, Trailer Life magazine tested one with a Lance trailer behind it and reported results similar to what you are looking for. Mid size and available canopies may fill your other needs as well.


I did some research for you. Go to trailerlife.com, select 2020 towing guide then "over achievers" The truck with the small Duraxmax turned in 16.3 towing MPG with a 5,047# trailer. Not bad.

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I pull a 4000lb with a GMC 6.0 eng. Yukon Denali. It does a great job. You will lose speed on hills. you can also get help from the ***Link Removed***.

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Posted: 06/30/20 10:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you're worried about gas mileage, you are not having fun RV'ing. Fill 'er up and never look at the numbers on the gas pump.

Been towing for years, started with a 1965 Chevy Van (flat front) with a 292 inline 6. Towed 24' TT's all over western USA, believe it or not always got 10 mpg towing. Current TV is '94 GMC K1500 Suburban with new 383 stroker, 9.5 mpg towing go fast as I want except for steepest mountain passes then go about 52 mph in 2nd. (Keep it under 65 mph at all times). Love our 42 gallon gas tank.


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Posted: 06/30/20 11:47am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The 3.0 diesels would be a good fit for you. If you are looking used, you are limited to the EcoDiesel. If you are wanting an SUV, you have eliminated the RAM 1500 and only have the Grand Cherokee remains. I have an EcoDiesel Grand Cherokee. Probably my favorite vehicle I have owned.

If you are willing to go new, GM's version of the 3.0 diesel will find its way into their full size SUVs.


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Posted: 06/30/20 12:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gdetrailer wrote:


OK, that certainly is sending mixed messages to the OP.

On one hand you admit the OPs Pilot may be at the top of it's rated range and the other hand you are telling the OP that it might be cheaper to continue on using their Pilot until the end of it's life in spite of it's maxed out capability and "white Knuckle driving experience in order to "save some money" on trade out time.

Saving them a couple of pennies loss in a vehicle UPGRADE now most likely will result in HUGE losses in money down the road continuing to use the Pilot at it's max capability..

The cost could be transmission, brakes, engine, cooling system and many other high wear parts at the most inopportune time.?


Always someone that wants to say doing anything is dangerous and you could die! Might be the mask cutting off oxygen to the brain, lol...

You might be right, or might be wrong. Some cases you would be right, some cases you will be way off. It all really depends on each individual situation...
A full-timer driving 50,000 miles per year will want a big diesel 3/4 ton truck to pull a little trailer, but a person just going on a few short trips here and there will be fine with whatever will tow the trailer. It all depends. Not mixed signals, just sound advice to consider. For towing only short trips occasionally then coming out of pocket thousands and thousands (not pennies) to get an ample tow rig might not make any sense.

Repairs on the Pilot? Maybe none that are going to be unusual if minimal towing is involved. Brakes should never be an issue if the trailer has properly working brakes.
Transmission? Yes, it will wear out faster, but so will a trans on a 3/4 ton truck wear out faster from towing vs not towing. Everything wears out faster towing. This is not necessarily detrimental.
It all comes down to the math for how much towing is going to be done and if an upgrade makes sense for the extra cost. It may, or it may not.

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aj, Christy ghosted this thread a couple weeks ago. No need to argue with the weight ninnies. Well, it's always fun I spose.


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Posted: 07/01/20 11:09am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

In my years of towing TTs and with discussions in CGs with others, a decent rule of thumb is that you will get about half your normal gas mileage when towing a TT.

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Posted: 07/01/20 11:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

fill it up, refull at half tank. is it really an issue in the end? RV's are right up there with boats for money pits and we all know boat stands for
break out another thousand........

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