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specta

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Posted: 06/28/20 04:54pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm glad that we all have a choice.
What I have works best for me and that's all I care about.


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At the weights that these RV’s run I doubt you would find the 3:73 in the way at all.

How fast do you need to accelerate? How fast do you tow? Me, there is only so much speed at 55 MPH while towing.

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specta wrote:

When I bought my truck used back in 2013 I had two choices.
1. A low mileage 2 year old gas pick, or 2, a 5 year old diesel with 150,000 miles on it.

Glad I picked the newer gas PU or I'd be driving a 14 year old truck with 350,000 miles on it.

Mine has the 6.0L with 3.73 gears and I have zero complaints.

My camper only weighs 4000 lbs. With my ATV and trailer total is closer to 12k for everything.


Lantley wrote:

I'm not against higher RPM's or even the noise from a gasser. I'm more pro diesel because I want a relaxing tow with less input from me, the driver.
A gasser requires more input, that means pressing a little harder on the accelerator, letting the truck find the right gear, maintaining the right gear, down shifting as required, holding the gear as required. More effort to descend a steep grade.
A gasser requires more input. Now some may consider that extra input part of the fun and I get that. Sort of like why some enjoy driving a manual transmission.
Personally relaxing and enjoying the ride with little driver input is my idea of idea of a smooth trip.
The diesel takes all the work (driver input) out of the equation. Some may consider me a lazy driver because I want the truck to drive itself with out input from me, to some degree you are correct. That's why I paid more for a diesel performance.


Specta, not bad logic gas gives you more payload for your drop-in camper, but as you state 12,000# total, well out 5er weighs more than that, so an apples to oranges.

Lantley, couldn't agree with you more! Seems our 5er at last weigh is pushing 13,600#, towing with the CTD is so relaxing and quiet. You are not lazy, you just want to arrive relaxed.
Heck I thought I arrived relaxed with the 2001 Ram 2500 CTD with 5 speed manual. I never minded shifting even in stop and go traffic. That said driving the 2016 Ram 3500 DRW CTD, Aisin is way more relaxing.

If towing over 12,000# diesel is the best choice, even with the advent of the Ford 7.3 gas, I got tired of feeding our old 460's.


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FishOnOne wrote:

Lantley wrote:

I'm not against higher RPM's or even the noise from a gasser. I'm more pro diesel because I want a relaxing tow with less input from me, the driver.
A gasser requires more input, that means pressing a little harder on the accelerator, letting the truck find the right gear, maintaining the right gear, down shifting as required, holding the gear as required. More effort to descend a steep grade.
A gasser requires more input. Now some may consider that extra input part of the fun and I get that. Sort of like why some enjoy driving a manual transmission.
Personally relaxing and enjoying the ride with little driver input is my idea of idea of a smooth trip.
The diesel takes all the work (driver input) out of the equation. Some may consider me a lazy driver because I want the truck to drive itself with out input from me, to some degree you are correct. That's why I paid more for a diesel performance.


I would think the new 10 speed would require less driver input since the PCM/ECM has more gears to choose from for the right situation.

Fish I imagine you are right and the 10 speeds take relaxed driving to another level. However that 10 speed still needs to be connected to a diesel engine to meet my needs. If the 10 speed you are referring to is connected to a gasser. I'll stick with my 6 speed Duramax combo.
I'm hearing good things about the 10 speed trannies.
But personally I decided to stick with the proven 6 speed vs. being a beta tester for the new 10 speeds.
While it may not be the latest greatest I am ecstatic with the performance of my 2019 Duramax 6 speed combo.


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rhagfo wrote:



Specta, not bad logic gas gives you more payload for your drop-in camper, but as you state 12,000# total, well out 5er weighs more than that, so an apples to oranges.



I simply stated why I bought the truck I did.

I wasn't comparing it to anything.

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way2roll wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

pitch wrote:

Why are people scared to let their machines run as intended? The engineers did not give you eight speeds intending the tranny to stay in OD constantly.
Small block V-8 are designed to make power above 3500 rpm,why are you scared to let the engine work as designed? I love the sound of my 5.7running up hill in 3rd gear at 3700 rpm. Pulls like a freight train!


I agree 100%! Especially the sound of the 5.7L Hemi.


I would agree as well but I am concerned that the extra work is harder on a gas engine than a diesel and it also equates to worse mileage. The mileage on this particular truck I was looking at is awful even without towing.


Through gear reduction, torque multiplication, an engine turning twice the rpm with the same road speed and load, needs to produce half the torque at the flywheel as the lower rpm engine. Higher rpm isn’t working harder. It’s working easier by letting gear reduction do more work. My ‘05 345hp/365ftlb 5.7L Hemi easily outran my ‘03 250hp/460ftlbs Cummins in duplicate trucks towing the same 10,040 lb 5th wheel around the southeast at 30%~ higher rpm and about 30% higher fuel consumption. At 125k miles, I simply wanted another Ford. The Hemi used no oil and ran like a new truck. At 106k miles, the little 5.4L has been bullet proof, uses no oil and still runs like new. Towing in O/D is all a matter of perception. Not worth $10,500 option to sound like it’s not working as hard.


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I remember reading an article that compared the V-10 to a diesel and showed how through gear reduction and higher RPM that it would actually put more torque to the ground than a diesel. Interesting reading...

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^I bet....
You guys crack me up!
Why have a diesel when you could have the torque multiplication of a screamin 5.4 Triton?? Lol
I got news for anyone that believes this. I’ve had a couple F250s with 5.4s. One in AZ in a reg cab 2wheeler would at least get out of its own way( without a trailer ). One in a 4x ext cab in CO wouldn’t pull itself up a hill without screaming, with a trailer it was just as loud and twice as slow!


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Remember everything is relative - the HDT guys with ISXs and DD15s lugging up grades @ 1250rpm would say the little 1 ton diesels "screaming their heads off" at 2600 rpm is not relaxed enough...

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Grit dog wrote:

^I bet....
You guys crack me up!
Why have a diesel when you could have the torque multiplication of a screamin 5.4 Triton?? Lol
I got news for anyone that believes this. I’ve had a couple F250s with 5.4s. One in AZ in a reg cab 2wheeler would at least get out of its own way( without a trailer ). One in a 4x ext cab in CO wouldn’t pull itself up a hill without screaming, with a trailer it was just as loud and twice as slow!

I’ve owned six diesels. Nothing stopping me from owning another if what you said had an ounce of truth to it. [emoticon]

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