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philh

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Posted: 07/11/20 05:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Stupid question, can I buy a 50a unit and use it with a 30a trailer? Longer term plans have us upgrading to larger 5th wheel

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philh wrote:

Stupid question, can I buy a 50a unit and use it with a 30a trailer? Longer term plans have us upgrading to larger 5th wheel


Yes.





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philh wrote:

Stupid question, can I buy a 50a unit and use it with a 30a trailer? Longer term plans have us upgrading to larger 5th wheel


If pedestal type that plugs between the pedestal and RV cord, double check with the manufacturer, but it should if plugged into a 50Amp socket. If the permanent installed type, it might not. Pretty sure it needs to see both legs in order to activate.

I just bought and brought home an Arctic Wolf 3660SUITE. It is 50 AMP, runs fine on 30 amp and surprisingly enough both AC's will run at the same time, they must have soft start kits already installed, the second one started up without issues and the running one didn't even give a grunt when it did. Of course that was just a test and I am running on just one AC.

However, my plan was to install a fixed 50 Amp Surge/line condition unit, but after looking where the line comes in, it is sealed up, so not going to touch it, so looking for the pedestal mount one instead. Suggestions?

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I have read almost all of the Threads regarding this original post. I have decided what style (Portable) and MAKE/MODEL to purchase for our new 5ver Toy Hauler. Seeing that it is a 50 AMP service and I am choosing to go with portable route as opposed to a direct wire, for security reasons, Has anyone here ever "correctly spliced" a portable Surge Protector into your their 50A cord and make it all one piece?

Without dealing with the manufacturers "lawyer Answer" would this cause any unwanted electrical concerns?

I've even considered that it may void a warranty.

Serious Thoughts Please.

Thank you in advance

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Well, I don't know how safe it would be, but to splice it together you would need these

Splicers
and this

Heat shrink

Only reason I know this is because I had to repair the underground cable to my barn that got damaged repairing the water line. The above parts will seal the cables, and the splices need to be staggered far enough apart so they don't rub against each other. The downside is once shrunk it becomes very stiff.

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work2much wrote:

Went with the Hughes watchdog hardwired on our new 5th wheel. I liked the bluetooth monitor and alerts it sends if there is an issue. I thought about their auto former but we can run a long time without shore power or use the hybrid inverter to boost voltage in load sharing mode.

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I'm in the market for one of these. I want to hardwire as you did. I thought the PI EMS50 was the most common choice but the Hughes looks good. Why did you choose it over the Progressive?

I was worried about an outboard autoformer being stolen from the pedestal when we were out day-tripping.

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Looks like there are about a half a dozen flavors of 50A surge protectors from PI and Hughes ranging from $150 to $300. I do not speak electrical. What's the difference? I'd like to get one for our new FW - it's 50A but I don't want to spend $300 when I can spend $150.


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obie311 wrote:

I thought about their auto former but we can run a long time without shore power or use the hybrid inverter to boost voltage in load sharing mode.


The load support on Magnum does not do voltage support, unless the input amperage is dialed way down low. Magnum does not recommend this be done.


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way2roll wrote:

Looks like there are about a half a dozen flavors of 50A surge protectors from PI and Hughes ranging from $150 to $300. I do not speak electrical. What's the difference? I'd like to get one for our new FW - it's 50A but I don't want to spend $300 when I can spend $150.


Some do surge only--which is not really useful.

Some do energy management and do a disconnect if the voltage becomes too low (103.5 volts iirc, which is too low for my comfort zone).

If you believe that the device is needed--buy the top of the line.

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Hardwired are better for several reasons, but if you don't have access to the wiring in order to install one, or have an electrician who can wire one, then the pedestal mount is the way to go. I had one in my last trailer, a 30 amp Surge Guard, and it worked perfectly. Since I can't access the wiring in my new trailer, or I should say, there isn't room for one in my new trailer where the panel is located, I opted for the pedestal mounted version of the watchdog.

PI was a good name when they were American made, but has been sold to another company that makes them in Mexico now and quality has slipped a bit. The Hughes Watchdog was rated tops last year, and they aren't as expensive as the PI and Surge Guard models, which BTW come from the same company now.


way2roll, there are different types of protection, so read them carefully. You won't get full protection with the $150 model, it will just alert you when you plug in if the wiring is bad and protect from surges, but if the line voltage drops or spikes, your trailer can still be damaged. The one you want is the one with Electrical Management System, AKA EMS. Those run between $240 for hardwired to well over $350 for pedestal mount. I just bought a pedestal mount Watchdog for $239 from Tweety's RV.

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