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FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.


Exactly. We just passed on ordering 3 new F750 dump trucks at my work in large part because of the Ford 6.7L being the only diesel engine available in them. We went with Freightliner M2's with the 6.7L Cummins. [emoticon]


Cummins welcomes you and your company to the CP4.2 world. Also your shop better switch over to 10W30 oil and not run the standard 15W40 that everybody and their brother runs.

Back in early March I was on a Ram/Jeep/Chrysler lot looking at a Wrangler and noticed that 50% of the RAM HD trucks were gas powered. If you only include SRW trucks they're were more Hemi's than Cummins powered trucks. I never in the history of looking at HD trucks have I seen so many gas engines in HD trucks. Later walked over to the Ford lot next door (same dealer) and they were all Power Strokes.


Well that just shows you, people are buying the RAM/Cummins off the dealers lots while the Ford/Powerstroke go wanting for a buyer.

To know this one would have to have access to the dealer purchases and sales. As what is setting on any one lot is meaningless.


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Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.


Exactly. We just passed on ordering 3 new F750 dump trucks at my work in large part because of the Ford 6.7L being the only diesel engine available in them. We went with Freightliner M2's with the 6.7L Cummins. [emoticon]


Cummins welcomes you and your company to the CP4.2 world. Also your shop better switch over to 10W30 oil and not run the standard 15W40 that everybody and their brother runs.

Back in early March I was on a Ram/Jeep/Chrysler lot looking at a Wrangler and noticed that 50% of the RAM HD trucks were gas powered. If you only include SRW trucks they're were more Hemi's than Cummins powered trucks. I never in the history of looking at HD trucks have I seen so many gas engines in HD trucks. Later walked over to the Ford lot next door (same dealer) and they were all Power Strokes.


Well that just shows you, people are buying the RAM/Cummins off the dealers lots while the Ford/Powerstroke go wanting for a buyer.

To know this one would have to have access to the dealer purchases and sales. As what is setting on any one lot is meaningless.


Your scenario would be true if the lot was partially or somewhat empty, but it was full which tells me the dealer ordered the trucks this way for a reason. Like I said in the past this dealer lot used to be ~ 95% Cummins and ~ 5% Hemis, but now it's 50% Cummins and 50% Hemis.


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Your scenario would be true if the lot was partially or somewhat empty, but it was full which tells me the dealer ordered the trucks this way for a reason. Like I said in the past this dealer lot used to be ~ 95% Cummins and ~ 5% Hemis, but now it's 50% Cummins and 50% Hemis.



FYI, in the light duty world, dealers are forced to take on inventory by the manufacturer. It happens in the medium/heavy duty world too, but not as much since most are speced to order.
Basically, the manufacturers makes a lot of trucks(X amount of gasers and Y amount of diesels) expecting a certain demand for each kind and forces dealers to take them to move inventory around.

It depends on the size of dealer and what kind of relationship/pull that they have with their manufacturer sales rep, but in many cases in order for a dealer to get X amount of inventory they want, they are forced to take in Y amount of inventory they don't want. It is all a negotiation and of course the dealership that sell more of a certain type of vehicle will have more leverage.

I remember when the Harley Davidson Super-duties first came out. The Ford dealer group(who only sold trucks) I was working for at the time really wanted to get their hands on a few of them, partly because the owner wanted one. We had to take in a bunch of inventory to get them. We actually had to lease property around town to park trucks because not all of inventory would fit on our lots. It was a bad deal, but the owner wanted one.

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I just looked at the dealer inventory online for 2500/3500 and here's the mix:

Cummins: 8 trucks
Hemis: 3 trucks

It's clear the dealer inventory has dropped significantly since I was there.

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FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.


Exactly. We just passed on ordering 3 new F750 dump trucks at my work in large part because of the Ford 6.7L being the only diesel engine available in them. We went with Freightliner M2's with the 6.7L Cummins. [emoticon]


Cummins welcomes you and your company to the CP4.2 world. Also your shop better switch over to 10W30 oil and not run the standard 15W40 that everybody and their brother runs.

Back in early March I was on a Ram/Jeep/Chrysler lot looking at a Wrangler and noticed that 50% of the RAM HD trucks were gas powered. If you only include SRW trucks they're were more Hemi's than Cummins powered trucks. I never in the history of looking at HD trucks have I seen so many gas engines in HD trucks. Later walked over to the Ford lot next door (same dealer) and they were all Power Strokes.


Cuz they weren’t selling any


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blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.


Exactly. We just passed on ordering 3 new F750 dump trucks at my work in large part because of the Ford 6.7L being the only diesel engine available in them. We went with Freightliner M2's with the 6.7L Cummins. [emoticon]


Cummins welcomes you and your company to the CP4.2 world. Also your shop better switch over to 10W30 oil and not run the standard 15W40 that everybody and their brother runs.

Back in early March I was on a Ram/Jeep/Chrysler lot looking at a Wrangler and noticed that 50% of the RAM HD trucks were gas powered. If you only include SRW trucks they're were more Hemi's than Cummins powered trucks. I never in the history of looking at HD trucks have I seen so many gas engines in HD trucks. Later walked over to the Ford lot next door (same dealer) and they were all Power Strokes.


It would be interesting to know if the 6.7L Cummins in the heavier applications like the Freightliner M2 use the CP4. Anyone know? Shiner?

If they end up being a POS I won’t hesitate to post with that information.

With respect to the HD Rams being 50% gassers, that is definitely not the situation in my neck of the woods. I would estimate well over 95% of HD Rams here having the Cummins.

With respect to my work, we currently have a contract with Ford for supply of vehicles up to and including F550 but we don’t buy any diesels, they are all gas. Prior to about 2015 many of the HD Fords were diesel but there were too many expensive repairs that completely changed the philosophy of vehicle specs.
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Interesting How the FISH is so informed on CTD and RAM.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.


Exactly. We just passed on ordering 3 new F750 dump trucks at my work in large part because of the Ford 6.7L being the only diesel engine available in them. We went with Freightliner M2's with the 6.7L Cummins. [emoticon]


Cummins welcomes you and your company to the CP4.2 world. Also your shop better switch over to 10W30 oil and not run the standard 15W40 that everybody and their brother runs.

Back in early March I was on a Ram/Jeep/Chrysler lot looking at a Wrangler and noticed that 50% of the RAM HD trucks were gas powered. If you only include SRW trucks they're were more Hemi's than Cummins powered trucks. I never in the history of looking at HD trucks have I seen so many gas engines in HD trucks. Later walked over to the Ford lot next door (same dealer) and they were all Power Strokes.


It would be interesting to know if the 6.7L Cummins in the heavier applications like the Freightliner M2 use the CP4. Anyone know? Shiner?

If they end up being a POS I won’t hesitate to post with that information.

With respect to the HD Rams being 50% gassers, that is definitely not the situation in my neck of the woods. I would estimate well over 95% of HD Rams here having the Cummins.

With respect to my work, we currently have a contract with Ford for supply of vehicles up to and including F550 but we don’t buy any diesels, they are all gas. Prior to about 2015 many of the HD Fords were diesel but there were too many expensive repairs that completely changed the philosophy of vehicle specs.
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Interesting How the FISH is so informed on CTD and RAM.


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I just had a look at the website of the dealer I bought my truck from; they have 30-Ram 3500's in stock and every one of them is a CTD. [emoticon]

* This post was edited 07/12/20 04:10pm by blofgren *


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