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cummins2014

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Michelle.S wrote:

Westlakes were being used on Redwoods and did do well, now they're using "Goodride" and so far don't sound any better, folks just see "Good" and thing they have Goodyear's till they fail.



The Westlakes I had were the All Steel Radials. St235/80/16 G rated 4080 lbs @ 110 psi. A friend of mine bought them , he has a lighter fifth wheel then mine, and was not concerned about buying them. I told him I didn't know much about them. He had a job in Alaska this summer, and that fifth wheel has been up there ,and back with no issues . Plus a couple more trip down here.

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On a lighter unit they will probably work fine, Redwoods, especially the early ones run heavy. My '16 had a brochure dry weight of approx 14K, the yellow sticker leaving the Factory put it at just shy of 16K before we even put in a single paper plate.


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Splashers3 wrote:

I totally agree with Cummins2014.....how heavy your trailer weighs makes all the difference in tire choice.

I love my Westlake G rated tires....when time to replace it will either be them again, or Sailun 637s.


Of course you need to cover the actual weight of your RV tires are carrying. A 15k RV no matter the length the GY "E" or "G" will do the job with capacity to spare.

Sick and tired of these "CLAIMS" of ENDURANCE and GY "G" issues. Fact is the accuser had a Sailun blowout.

All three tires have a good track record so let's be honest, US or Communist China???


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Sailun tire thats being referred too DID NOT have a blowout it was a victim of a road hazard, been established what it was . There is no mistake when a G rated tire has a blowout @ 110 psi. All you have to do is ask the many owners of the Goodyear G614 what a blowout sounds like ,been reported many times on forums , like a gun going off ,no mistake when they blowout. This Sailun did not blowout whatsoever, it had lost air ,and the sidewall was coming apart .


We got a report on the Montana forum of a Goodyear Endurance blowout, plus many G614's . No secret to all the blowouts of G614. The Endurance will also start having issues , too many thinking those E rated are going to hold up under these heavier fifth wheels ,like the thinking this 41' fifth wheel should have those E rated Endurance on it . The issues have started with terrible wear , and now the blowout.

Unfortunately the Goodyear brand does not have a good track record, and its been proven time ,after time.

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Michelle.S wrote:

On a lighter unit they will probably work fine, Redwoods, especially the early ones run heavy. My '16 had a brochure dry weight of approx 14K, the yellow sticker leaving the Factory put it at just shy of 16K before we even put in a single paper plate.


Sure 8-11K ,run those E rated Endurance, anything much over that you will have issues with Goodyear tires. Many have wised up especially over on the Montana forum, about the only tire now thats recommended for the Montana fifth wheel is the S637 Sailun. Even the Goodyear G614 is being left out of the conversation now with its low rating of 3750

Any fifth wheel these days with 15K or more GVWR should be running G rated at least with a 4080 lb rating or more.

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Sorry no evidence of a GY ENDURANCE non road hazard issue on Montana Forum. I have looked!!!

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Those interested in reading about a blowout with a Goodyear Endurance ,there is one on the Montana Owners Forum in the " Tires, Montana tires " section . On the first page of that section , title of the thread is " Montana LT vs ST tires . The report is on page 3 of that thread. Mr C is the name of the person that reported it . Supposedly it did $600.00 worth of damage ,and Goodyear would not reimburse . He stated he was going to the Sailun tire .

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Those interested in reading about a blowout with a Goodyear Endurance ,there is one on the Montana Owners Forum in the " Tires, Montana tires " section . On the first page of that section , title of the thread is " Montana LT vs ST tires . The report is on page 3 of that thread. Mr C is the name of the person that reported it . Supposedly it did $600.00 worth of damage ,and Goodyear would not reimburse . He stated he was going to the Sailun tire .


What was the weight of his trailer? How many miles on the tire? Eventually they'll all blow out. The GVWR on my toy hauler is 14k, 10k dry. I run it 13.5k or so fully loaded, and with 2,500 pin weight, the most on the tires is 11k. Divided by 4 is under 3k per tire. My endurance 235/80/16 that I just put on have a 3,400 pound per tire rating. Even if you take the whole 13,500 pounds, I'm good.


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cummins2014 wrote:

Those interested in reading about a blowout with a Goodyear Endurance ,there is one on the Montana Owners Forum in the " Tires, Montana tires " section . On the first page of that section , title of the thread is " Montana LT vs ST tires . The report is on page 3 of that thread. Mr C is the name of the person that reported it . Supposedly it did $600.00 worth of damage ,and Goodyear would not reimburse . He stated he was going to the Sailun tire .


What was the weight of his trailer? How many miles on the tire? Eventually they'll all blow out. The GVWR on my toy hauler is 14k, 10k dry. I run it 13.5k or so fully loaded, and with 2,500 pin weight, the most on the tires is 11k. Divided by 4 is under 3k per tire. My endurance 235/80/16 that I just put on have a 3,400 pound per tire rating. Even if you take the whole 13,500 pounds, I'm good.


It was a Montana 3582RL , not sure of the year, he doesn't say. Looking it up the weights they differ depending on the year , looks like they built it for four or five years that model.

I saw anywhere from 15,900 to 16,740 GVWR . 12,270 Dry weight , Pin around 2500, it just depended on what year. Do the math 16K minus the pin lets say its 20% lets be conservative, 3200 on the pin ,12,800 on the axles , 3200 per tire . You tell me is that okay for any of the Endurance tires . If he was loaded up ,and has the year that supposedly has a 16,740, then most likely was overloading those tires.

I sent the guy a PM this morning, to see if I can get the whole story, weights etc, but he says he had an Endurance tire blowout, thats all I know.

No they don't ALL blowout if taken care of properly . Proper inflation ,don't run them longer then what most change there tires out at 5-6 years old . Don't overload them etc etc . Most importantly a quality tire. Regardless of where they are built ,many of us want the best tire we can get. Sailun has proven time again to be that tire for these fifth wheels.

You feel comfortable with those Endurance ,and the weight on them ,great. I wish you good luck, and they will be trouble free.

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cummins2014 wrote:

Those interested in reading about a blowout with a Goodyear Endurance ,there is one on the Montana Owners Forum in the " Tires, Montana tires " section . On the first page of that section , title of the thread is " Montana LT vs ST tires . The report is on page 3 of that thread. Mr C is the name of the person that reported it . Supposedly it did $600.00 worth of damage ,and Goodyear would not reimburse . He stated he was going to the Sailun tire .


What was the weight of his trailer? How many miles on the tire? Eventually they'll all blow out. The GVWR on my toy hauler is 14k, 10k dry. I run it 13.5k or so fully loaded, and with 2,500 pin weight, the most on the tires is 11k. Divided by 4 is under 3k per tire. My endurance 235/80/16 that I just put on have a 3,400 pound per tire rating. Even if you take the whole 13,500 pounds, I'm good.


Is there some reason why you would not want to go with the Goodyear Endurance ST 235/85/16 rated at 3640, give yourself a bit more cushion . I see they are only .9 difference in height, wouldn't think that would be a problem.

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