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BenK

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Posted: 08/17/20 02:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Poor 'excuse', when there is no excuse for this. Plain bad workmanship and decisions

If that tire was either a radial or bias-ply and the inner tube was the other (there are radial & bias-ply inner tubes), then criminal IMO...and you have a case against them

But the cost of going after them might no be worth it to you

As a min, report them to BBB and RMA (or whatever tire/rubber associations they fall under)


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Posted: 08/17/20 04:11pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BenK wrote:

Poor 'excuse', when there is no excuse for this. Plain bad workmanship and decisions

If that tire was either a radial or bias-ply and the inner tube was the other (there are radial & bias-ply inner tubes), then criminal IMO...and you have a case against them

But the cost of going after them might no be worth it to you

As a min, report them to BBB and RMA (or whatever tire/rubber associations they fall under)


I didn't know they had bias or radial tubes. You learn something new every day.

No need to go after them legally. They refunded me for the 2 tires I replaced and they removed the inner tube in my spare so I'm going to call that even. Now, had there been damage to my trailer or if the blown tire had caused an accident then you can bet I'd be right in there faces for mechanical damages + extra. If an accident had happened that would have significantly hampered if not ruined my vacation and to me that would have required compensation. Thankfully none of that happened so the refund was good enough.

I suppose I could report them to the BBB or the local Chamber of Commerce. I guess I could also contact the headquarters and ask them if this is a company practice or if this is just something the local shop does. For certain I'm going to speak with my $$ because all of my business will be going to a different tire shop. Not that I'm the biggest spending tire customer at that store, but with all the trailers and vehicles I own there's always something that needs tires replaced or repaired. From now on, all of that my money will go somewhere else.

At bare minimum this is a very poor practice and is not something that a 'professional' tire shop should be doing. If they can't get a tire to seat and they determine the problem is the wheel then they need to contact the customer and inform them the wheel needs replaced. In my case, all 3 wheels were fine, they just did a rotten job on the install.

By the way Ben, in your signature you ask how many cylinders in your house? Between everything that goes on the road or floats I have 50 cylinders. 10 of those are diesel so only 40 spark plugs to deal with [emoticon]

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A couple of thoughts:

Determining if a tire failed due to a road hazard is not something an amateur can do very well. Even after 20 years of doing it, I occasionally screw up! I have found that I am much more successful if I can examine the inside of the tire. Trying to find a cut or puncture from the outside is pretty difficult.

"The outer side wall had completely separated from the tire right at the edge of the tread." This is a classic run flat condition. That leads me to believe this was a puncture related failure. Plus the mention of an sudden explosion further leads me to believe in a road hazard.

Innertubes? Yes that is puzzling. It's quite possible that the tube failed. I have found that valve holes for tubeless wheels are not mounted in the best location for tubes.

I don't like the excuse that if the tire doesn't seal, they put in a tube. Tubes are relatively expensive compared to what fixing the wheel seal would cost.

On the other hand, there are a lot of wackos working in tire shops.

Based on that experience I wouldn't give those guys any more business.


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BenK

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Posted: 08/18/20 05:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

KJ,

Your cylinder count is up there !

Don't forget lawn mowers, line trimmers, chain saws, model aircraft & boats, air compressors...

We did catch a buddy counting guns and fixed that by re-defining that it has to have a reciprocating piston

We bet Costco Dogs for any of these contests...

Back on tires...they are remarkable in light of how folks missus and abuse them

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I had small tires on a small trailer which I changed out. I kept one as a spare but it wouldn't seat on the bead and it would be flat in a week. I wanted an inner tube put in for a spare tire. I bought my size online. I went to my local Pep Boys in Indio CA. and I had bought all 6 of my Michelin for my Dually there because they had a great sale at the time so I went back to have them put the tube in this tire for me. After waiting 15 min, they said they can't install this. I asked why? They stated no one there knew how to do that. I said you told me when I got the tires for my truck that you had mechanics there with 30 yrs experience. They never had a bicycle? I said you don't inspire confidence for my Truck tires at all. I got another tire shop to install it, however it is for a spare and will work well if needed. Don't go to Pep Boys Indio CA.


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One of the big reasons I stand right over those guys when I get new tires mounted ,and balanced . Last time I was in a tire shop , it was almost scary to watch those young guys.

I had sold my friend a new set of fifth wheel tires , and had went to the Sailuns . We took down all ten tires ,and wheels. I had to stop them two times they were putting his old tires on my wheels instead of my new ones that were sitting right there.

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Posted: 08/18/20 11:04am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I haven't found a tire shop that I can trust yet. One of the things that I catch most often is them using passenger tire stems in SP and LT tires. I have had 3 times(3 different shops) that I had to have them redo valve stems because they had used the wrong ones.


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Posted: 08/20/20 07:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well for one thing I would NEVER trust a 12" tire for a 650 mile trip! They are far too small and spin far too fast for a long-distance trip. The ones I've used had a speed limitation on them... 55MPH as I recall.

If you have the clearance, upgrade to at least a 175/80R13. Even the 13" tire turns 25% slower, which is much easier on the tire and the wheel bearings. I did that on my small utility trailer and I feel much better about towing it long distances. The tires and bearings arrive cool, when they were slightly warm to the touch with the 12" tires.


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