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jaycocreek

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Posted: 08/30/20 09:41am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

specta wrote:

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tearing up the wilderness on an ATV doesn't sound too "environmental" to me.
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What makes you think I "tear it up"? [emoticon]


Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up just like everyone dumping grey water does it maliciously..[emoticon]

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Rangeland studies show ATV’s and bikes have less impact than pack animals. Hooves are worse on trails and soil substrate than round, rubber tires. Lots of research out there on this.


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Geewizard wrote:

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Yeah, we should do everything the way we did 40 years ago, and this issue has little to do with tree huggers. Dumping your germs and food on the ground would be better than nothing, but since we have an alternative, not dumping correctly is just being lazy.

But, if it really isn’t an issue. Feel free to put a sign up in your front yard to encourage people to dump their grey water in your front yard. Report back how that works for you. [emoticon]


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Yes indeed! Tell us all how that works for you and your neighbors. Step up and show us how it's no problem. Give us all your home address so we can come by and dump our gray water on your lawn.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to most everything in life.

https://www.boondockersbible.com/knowled......../can-i-dump-my-gray-water-on-the-ground/

(Ignore the "US Forestry Service". It's the U.S. Forest Service. Sloppy writing.....just like dumping gray water on your campsite.)

https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/eliminating-graywater-burning-man

"Why does Gray Water smell so bad? Decomposing food mixed with oils, fecal matter from showering, urine…this all creates disgusting bacteria that is literally alive, hence the awful smells associated with waste water. Sometimes I swear RV Gray Water can smell worse than Black Water!"


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That's pretty rich coming from enviro saviors such as you guys lol. You have enough stuff in your signatures to have killed 500 trees and polluted at least two streams manufacturing it, and evidently burn fossil fuel as fast as it can come out of the ground.

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jaycocreek wrote:



Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up
LOL


I agree with this statement.

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GDS-3950BH wrote:

Geewizard wrote:

jimh425 wrote:

Yeah, we should do everything the way we did 40 years ago, and this issue has little to do with tree huggers. Dumping your germs and food on the ground would be better than nothing, but since we have an alternative, not dumping correctly is just being lazy.

But, if it really isn’t an issue. Feel free to put a sign up in your front yard to encourage people to dump their grey water in your front yard. Report back how that works for you. [emoticon]


+2

Yes indeed! Tell us all how that works for you and your neighbors. Step up and show us how it's no problem. Give us all your home address so we can come by and dump our gray water on your lawn.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to most everything in life.

https://www.boondockersbible.com/knowled......../can-i-dump-my-gray-water-on-the-ground/

(Ignore the "US Forestry Service". It's the U.S. Forest Service. Sloppy writing.....just like dumping gray water on your campsite.)

https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/eliminating-graywater-burning-man

"Why does Gray Water smell so bad? Decomposing food mixed with oils, fecal matter from showering, urine…this all creates disgusting bacteria that is literally alive, hence the awful smells associated with waste water. Sometimes I swear RV Gray Water can smell worse than Black Water!"


https://lnt.org/

Remember Leave No Trace? Used to be common knowledge and a good idea.


That's pretty rich coming from enviro saviors such as you guys lol. You have enough stuff in your signatures to have killed 500 trees and polluted at least two streams manufacturing it, and evidently burn fossil fuel as fast as it can come out of the ground.


And you know we're "enviro saviors" how? You know us personally? What we do for a living?


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I don't think the issue is so simple to relay on propaganda statistics.
How many negligent ATV riders will it take to make another Great Canyon?
I live next to protected water-sheet on desert.
Lot of signs, chains, cables, concrete barriers, yet lot of ATV drivers "don't see" all those warnings.
Did it create a problem over the years? Evidently not. Maybe in 1000 years, but do I have to worry about it?





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Bumpyroad wrote:

jaycocreek wrote:



Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up
LOL


I agree with this statement.

bumpy



I saw a guy with a TC dumping his black tank into a cattle guard so because you own a TC you must do it too.


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There are no roads in wilderness areas.
I am a retired forester and environmental consultant.
But I am not an environmentalist nor a tree hugger.
Once people really understand how ecosystems function, then they understand that logging is how we manage forests. It is how we create fire resilience.

More fire suppression is not the answer. Locking up public lands in parks is no the answer. Management is the answer.

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Bumpyroad wrote:

jaycocreek wrote:



Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up
LOL


I agree with this statement.

bumpy


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specta wrote:

I saw a guy with a TC dumping his black tank into a cattle guard so because you own a TC you must do it too.


I thought you were for dumping any where. What’s the issue? [emoticon]


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