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4x4ord wrote:You can weigh your truck to get an accurate unladen weight if you like.... or go with an estimate if you think you have a pretty good idea of what it weighs. The 6500 lb rear axle weight rating is really a rear axle spring rating. To carry a heavier trailer, adding air bags will help. Your tires are likely rated for something like 3640 lbs each, so your rear axle with air bags could handle about 7280 lbs. The unladen rear axle weight of your truck is likely around 3500 lbs. So, if it were mine, I'd add air bags and be able to carry a 3500 lb pin weight without being concerned.
I use to tow/carry 1,700# over my GVWR, but still within axle ratings with our old 2001 Ram 2500. Worked fine, why I got a bigger TV? Lawyers, Owners manual states it is unsafe to exceed any stated weight rating, a decent lawyer will use that if involved in an accident!
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renojack wrote:It just so hard to buy the FW and THEN find out it does or doesn't do the job. I understand the 3500 is a leaf spring vs 2500 coil spring but ut seems like a gamble I may take. Thanks for the advice.
Assuming your unladen truck has a 3500# scaled axle weight you can add 3000# of cargo. If the 5th wheel pin is 3000-3100 that leaves you zero capacity for anything else in the truck.
You can fudge the GVW a bit if you like, But you should not exceed your axle ratings.
If you choose to exceed your axle ratings then there no point to even discussing the ratings, if they are just going to be ignored
For me that combo up is marginal at best.
Marginal is unacceptable in my book.
Nevertheless I would weigh the truck full of fuel, with ready to camping cargo and people on board, to get an accurate weight of the truck.
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valhalla360 wrote:4x4ord wrote:The 3500 SRW and 2500 are very similar trucks. The payload rating is limited on account of the 6000 lb rear axle rating that the 2500 gets vs the 7000 lb rating of the 3500. The axle rating is reduced on account of the spring rating. Put a set of air bags on your 2500 and it will handle your Grand Design better than the 3500 SRW with higher payload numbers.
Is this true with the 2016 Dodge? I know a lot of older trucks from all the brands, the only difference between 3/4 ton and 1 ton (single rear wheel version) is the spring pack, so upgrading the spring or providing some sort of help like airbags or jounce springs would effectively make it the same as a 1 ton.
But I thought the newer Dodge 3/4 ton switched to coil spring while the 1 ton still uses leaf springs...which makes me wonder what else they may have different.
You wouldn’t have to wonder if you believed what I said earlier in this thread or knew a lot about trucks.
OP, there are also aftermarket HD coils which are an economical upgrade and easy to replace, which may be a batter option than add ons if you are loaded more than empty.
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goducks10 wrote:Got passed last Monday on the way to Diamond Lake CG in central Oregon. Posted speed is 60 semi, 65 auto. The guy that passed me was driving a newer SB Ram 2500 CTD and was towing a Montana 5th wheel that I'd guess was around 36-38'. He went by doing a little over 65 mph and it wasn't long before he was outta sight. Looked rock solid going down the road.
It can be done.
Yup sounds about right. These trucks are only incapable on rvnet, not in the real world.
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renojack wrote:It just so hard to buy the FW and THEN find out it does or doesn't do the job. I understand the 3500 is a leaf spring vs 2500 coil spring but ut seems like a gamble I may take. Thanks for the advice.
WE have a member IB516 who had a older Dodge 3500 SRW and swapped to the new 2500 with coil springs. He was impressed.
This from one of his snipped comments regarding coils vs leaf springs on his Dodge/Ram trucks. He has made other comments in other replies on this website.
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I hooked a 14k 5er to my coil sprung 2500 and it sat level. I regularly towed a 12k 5er with no issues. In fact, the 2014 2500 with coils sagged less with the same 5er than my 2007 3500 SRW did with Torklift Stableloads installed.
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I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.
Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.
I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #
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patperry2766 wrote:I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.
Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.
I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #
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Me Again wrote:patperry2766 wrote:I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.
Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.
I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #
Probably daily!, Hourly even!
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I can't tell if that cartoon means MeAgain supprots that or thinks it's bunk.
But since he has basically the same truck but with leaf springs, surely he realizes that it's not an issue....
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rhagfo wrote:
I use to tow/carry 1,700# over my GVWR, but still within axle ratings with our old 2001 Ram 2500. Worked fine, why I got a bigger TV? THE INTERNET AND PARANOIA, Owners manual states it is unsafe to exceed any stated weight rating, a decent lawyer will use that if involved in an accident!
I fixed it for you....
Have no doubt that the new truck pulls/handles better. It should, and it's ok to justify dumping your trusty old 24 valve for something bigger, newer, better, more comfortable and capable.
But the day I spend $ because of some new found paranoia over a largely un founded highly unlikely event that then involves a frivolous lawsuit,is the day I need to hang up the keys and phone up the senior care facility and tell them to come pick me up....AFTER I'm able to verify the gvwr, rawr and running weight of the geriatric bUS!
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