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BurbMan

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Posted: 08/26/20 08:50am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"All" is not true...IF you have $200k+ for a Tiffin Class A, you will get a real quality unit.

Sadly, most RV manufacturers pay their "Amish Craftsman" on a piece-meal wage, so the poor guy with the pneumatic screw gun doesn't pay his bills unless he gets x # of units out the door every day. When you're under the gun like that, quality is not your first priority.

Anybody else remember that guy Marty from the early days of the forum? He pulled his TT out onto the NJ pike and wheels came off, and he was trying to build a bandwagon here while he was suing Tom Schaffer RV and the RV manufacturer for not tightening the lug nuts? Consensus here was that the guy was such a nut that his neighbors probably loosened the lugs for him....


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kellem wrote:

Yep, all to common with RV's.

Another well known manufacturer had their fresh water tanks completely detaching from RV during travel.

We keep buying them.


This. No incentive for the RV manufacturers to change anything when we keep buying them as is.


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Posted: 08/26/20 09:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

gmckenzie wrote:

kellem wrote:

Yep, all to common with RV's.

Another well known manufacturer had their fresh water tanks completely detaching from RV during travel.

We keep buying them.


This. No incentive for the RV manufacturers to change anything when we keep buying them as is.


Exactly. Just like people keep buying Fiats!


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A1ARealtorRick wrote:

gmckenzie wrote:

kellem wrote:

Yep, all to common with RV's.

Another well known manufacturer had their fresh water tanks completely detaching from RV during travel.

We keep buying them.


This. No incentive for the RV manufacturers to change anything when we keep buying them as is.


Exactly. Just like people keep buying Fiats!


Not sure what you mean by that.

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Posted: 08/26/20 09:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.

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jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

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kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.
Keystone and Forest River are the two major players that control most of the market. They either buy the competition or put them out of business. People purchase on price not quality.

To bad the OP didn't join the forum before he had a problem. With all the RV sales this summer I bet you'll see a lot of similar post in the future. Record sales will have a even greater push to get them out the door to dealers. I'm sure that will improve the quality

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goducks10 wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

gmckenzie wrote:

kellem wrote:

Yep, all to common with RV's.

Another well known manufacturer had their fresh water tanks completely detaching from RV during travel.

We keep buying them.


This. No incentive for the RV manufacturers to change anything when we keep buying them as is.


Exactly. Just like people keep buying Fiats!


Not sure what you mean by that.


Google the frequency of repair records and initial quality reports on Fiats and you'll see what I mean. We don't demand quality as we should, in RVs or in cars (for example).

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kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

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