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rbpru

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Posted: 08/26/20 05:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The situation is simple, pay a third more for a Nash or a Fox series TT, or better yet 3x for an Airstream and the odds of repair will drop drastically.

However the will not go way.


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BB_TX wrote:

kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

If brands A, B,C,D and E are all producing junk with no quality control.
And brand A produces more than brand B.
Than Brand A is producing more junk than brand B.


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Lantley wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

If brands A, B,C,D and E are all producing junk with no quality control.
And brand A produces more than brand B.
Than Brand A is producing more junk than brand B.

But if each brand has 1 in 10 units with a problem, then your chance of buying a problem unit is 1 in 10 no matter the brand or if they produce 1,000 or 100,000. It is still 10%. Simple math.

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BB_TX wrote:

Lantley wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

If brands A, B,C,D and E are all producing junk with no quality control.
And brand A produces more than brand B.
Than Brand A is producing more junk than brand B.

But if each brand has 1 in 10 units with a problem, then your chance of buying a problem unit is 1 in 10 no matter the brand or if they produce 1,000 or 100,000. It is still 10%. Simple math.


1 in 10 out of 1000 is different than 1 in 10 out of 100,000.


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I have a 2014 Keystone Bullet Premier that I bought brand new and the only problems I have had with it to date with 18,000 miles and a total of about six months sleeping in it have been self inflicted.

People complain much more readily than they praise something, it's human nature.

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dodge guy wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

Lantley wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

If brands A, B,C,D and E are all producing junk with no quality control.
And brand A produces more than brand B.
Than Brand A is producing more junk than brand B.

But if each brand has 1 in 10 units with a problem, then your chance of buying a problem unit is 1 in 10 no matter the brand or if they produce 1,000 or 100,000. It is still 10%. Simple math.


1 in 10 out of 1000 is different than 1 in 10 out of 100,000.

No, 1 in 10 is 1 in 10 no matter the total number. It is still 10% of the total. And your odds of randomly getting a problem unit is still 1 in 10, or 10%, whether the total production is 1,000 or 10,000.

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BB_TX wrote:

dodge guy wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

Lantley wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

kellem wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

As soon as I read "Keystone", I knew it wasn't going be anything but bad.


The wife and I just recently spent a week in a really nice state park " Stonewall resort " with full hookups.

We were walking the dog around the campground and noted that every RV looked brand new and the place was completely dominated by Keystone and Forrest river units.

Sales volume opens the door for more publicity.....good or bad.

And there-in lies the truth. If brand A sells ten times more units than brand B, then expect brand A to have ten times more complaints than brand B. Just a matter of numbers.

If brands A, B,C,D and E are all producing junk with no quality control.
And brand A produces more than brand B.
Than Brand A is producing more junk than brand B.

But if each brand has 1 in 10 units with a problem, then your chance of buying a problem unit is 1 in 10 no matter the brand or if they produce 1,000 or 100,000. It is still 10%. Simple math.


1 in 10 out of 1000 is different than 1 in 10 out of 100,000.

No, 1 in 10 is 1 in 10 no matter the total number. It is still 10% of the total. And your odds of randomly getting a problem unit is still 1 in 10, or 10%, whether the total production is 1,000 or 10,000.


OK. must be that new math.....Or that Texas heat! LOL

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am1958 wrote:

I have a 2014 Keystone Bullet Premier that I bought brand new and the only problems I have had with it to date with 18,000 miles and a total of about six months sleeping in it have been self inflicted.

People complain much more readily than they praise something, it's human nature.


That's true, but yet RV's depreciate like a rock in water so there must be some validity to the fact that they're poorly built.

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All this "fuzzy" math could be eliminated if J D Power got involved, and rated RVs like they do cars, simply being the number of problems per 100 built -- regardless of manufacturer. Now that's the simplest math of all, and would tell the whole story by manufacturer. However, we RV buyers apparently care less about the quality of a $100,000+ RV than we do a $25,000 car.


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I'm starting to get the feeling that RV manufacturers are targeting those with disposable income, huh.

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