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msmith1.wa

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Posted: 09/03/20 09:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Another vote for new tires needing to get some miles on them. I had to have truck tires replaced during a trip. It was not a fun drive home. No they are rock solid.


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Ford heavy duty 4x4 is noted for failure of the front track bar. This let's the front end wander alot. There are aftermarket adjustable ones available with heavy duty rod ends instead of rubber bushings. I am betting the alignment shop didn't catch this and aligned it with the front axle shifted off center. Now you got a mess.

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HoosierDad wrote:

We have a 2012 F-250 standard cab 6.2L, full 8' bed. Our trailer is a 2013 Cruiser CT29RLX travel trailer. I have sway bars on each side as well as 800 lb bars on each side for weight distribution.

Since we bought the trailer new in 2012, it has towed very easily and consistently. Last year the trailer towed perfectly with little sway or movement. Camping season start was delayed this year due to COVID-19 so I decided to replace the original equipment Continental tires with the same thing at 60,000 miles as they were starting to look bad even though I still had over 1/4" of tread. The tires were replaced and I then had the alignment done. I knew the right front was out because I had quite a bit of wear on the outside edge and the alignment printout showed it. I was running 65 PSI in the front tires and 75 PSI in the rear tires.

We hooked up the trailer for our first camping trip and got about 2 miles away from the house on a two lane highway and noticed that the front end felt it was on ice. Very light on the steering and each car passing in the other direction gave me a little wiggle. I was paying close attention and it seemed to do better when I was on a curve and had pressure on the steering wheel to make the curve. I then got on a 6 lane interstate and it seemed that the smallest thing such as grooves in the concrete were pushing me left and right. I had enough and turned around due the risk I felt that it posed to us as well as everyone else. The sway was bad enough twice in about 10 miles that I had to slowly apply the brakes to stop it.

Nothing has changed in the camper. No additional weight, nothing in any of the tanks. Sometimes I will carry water; however, having all that weight on the back end behind the axles brings sway on so I rarely do it.

On the trip back to the house, I pulled into a large parking lot and tightened the chain up by another link to put additional weight on the front end. It seemed to help a little but not much. I still felt every groove in the highway and it did not accomplish what I thought it would.

Without the trailer the front end does seem to have a little slop in it now that I am paying attention. It is usually going straight as again following a curve with some pressure on it seems to help somewhat.

I'm going to have to go to the alignment place because they are not answering the phone and are not returning my calls to make an appointment to have them check their alignment work as a starting point.

In the mean time, has anyone experienced or heard about anything similar? I wonder it is an alignment issue, new bad Continental tires, a front end linkage problem. etc..

Thanks for reading and any ideas you might send my way.

Years ago, I put new tires on my F350 DRW. I tried Michelins, which a local Ford dealership installed. What you're describing is exactly what I felt without a trailer hooked up. I've driven bad handling race cars and this was worse, because you don't expect a squirrelly street car or truck.
It had nothing to do with breaking in the tires. Tires don't need a break-in period. There was something structurally wrong with tires. What was odd was that the dealer contacted Michelin and Michelin refused replacement. This was 4 days after installation. The dealership knew something was wrong and dealt with Michelin. They refunded my money and I put on different tires. With the new, different tires, everything was fine.
Years later, I put on a set of Michelins because the price was too low to pass up. Truck was fine and still is.

I never knew if it was one bad tire, or several bad tires, or all were bad. But, the Ford tech and myself knew there was a problem.

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Yup, new tire squirm. My last new truck had this quite bad, even when not towing. I am sure some tires/tread designs are worse than others. Just driving in town, turning corners, the front end seemed loose. It was worse if psi was lower for better ride, as my door sticker was 75 front 80 rear. I've had a number of new cars, without issue, but of the 10 new trucks I've purchased, only a few others acted like that, but to a lesser extent. Towing my FW with last truck, didn't make it worse, as FWs are known to be stable, but I also had a couple thousand miles on the truck, before towing. Truck has 18K on it now, steering is great, and I don't remember at what mileage it was noticeably improved.

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My F-250 was a perfectly driverable truck untill I replacd the OE tires with BF Goodrich All Terrain Tires. It gave the feeling I was sitting on a basketball, and especially going through a curvey road was a white knuckle experience. I thought they might get better with some miles on them, but after drving from Montana to Florida pulling a Fifth Wheel I gave-up and traded the truck in down there.





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Been driving pickup trucks since 1977 and never heard nor experienced new tire squirm.
Possibly due to lack of expectation. Idk

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kellem wrote:

Been driving pickup trucks since 1977 and never heard nor experienced new tire squirm.
Possibly due to lack of expectation. Idk

I hadn’t ever, until my last set of Michelins on a Tacoma. Driving away from the tire shop felt like the wheels were held on by one loose lug nut. It was similar to driving on grated steel bridge decks. They settled down after some miles on them. Two other sets of the same type of tire on two other vehicles didn’t seem to act that way.

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I've had a dozen brand new Ford trucks, never experienced "new tire squirm" as noticeable as described here. The only time I have ever experienced front tire squirm is when the rear is loaded too heavy taking too much weight off the front end, will feel like driving on ice.

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Browsing the owner's manual of my new F250, it mentions tread squirm in the break in page. I don't feel it with mine running empty on the Goodyears. I did feel it with my 2010 when new on its Continentals for a little while. Not white knuckles though.


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Mont G&J wrote:

My F-250 was a perfectly driverable truck untill I replacd the OE tires with BF Goodrich All Terrain Tires. It gave the feeling I was sitting on a basketball, and especially going through a curvey road was a white knuckle experience. I thought they might get better with some miles on them, but after drving from Montana to Florida pulling a Fifth Wheel I gave-up and traded the truck in down there.


Roflmao!!!!
Not sure if it’s sad or funny, but I find it hilarious.
“I got some tires I didn’t like, so I traded in the truck....”
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