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HadEnough

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Posted: 09/04/20 05:46pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Very strange, my AF 990 doesn’t move period. I tension my Fastguns per Torklift spec’s.


It would probably move if your frame mounts looked like mine. Ha ha.

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Your pictures finally came through for me. Where is the top plate on the passenger side? On my setup, there's a bolt through the bed mount and Torklift plate. Even if the weld broke and the angled bar fell off, the plate should still be bolted up top. On your driver's side I see what looks like a bolt, but no nut or top plate.

Broken welds should not make the hardware disappear but missing hardware could definitely affect the structure. Between this and you mysteriously unclipping spring clip, you seems to have hardware demons, not weak design.

Also, are your bed support posts hacked away at the top to make clearance or something? One is even cracked. When I asked about the stability of the bed mounting, seeing this raises some concern. If the Torklift angled bracket is expected to support the bed where a factory post used to be that can't be good. Your passenger side looks to be cut completely away and bent down. Is that just an artifact of the photo?

Again maybe the photo but even the bed floor looks like it's bent due to lack of support there.

If what I'm seeing is true and you say all of those hacked up factory parts are "professionally installed", you need to get a refund and make them pay to repair your truck.

* This post was last edited 09/04/20 06:16pm by wnjj *   View edit history

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Well certainly and interesting read this one.
Early on, my guess was a) perhaps the insert tube that the tie-downs attach to wasn't inserted far enough. The further out/less it's inserted the more leverage would be applied to the mount. I realized this early on with my non TL tie-downs so I started pushing the tube into the receiver further so the tie-downs(Fastguns) were angled in more towards the truck from the camper mount points.
And b) Can't picture how it moves/pivots 11" in a truck box, so assumed you had a flat deck, but you mentioned you've got a reg. box, so that's out the window. If mine pivoted that much, it have crushed in the wheel well by a good bit. (In no way am I insinuating it's not as you stated, just can picture it.)

That is quite the damage. That metal has deformed quite a bit.

So..... time for guesstimations ......

Your truck is a 2500....have you checked your truck frame? Is it porpoising at all, even on normal road/highway bumps? Has the truck frame been flexing/bending? That would put some weird stresses on the brackets.
Also.....you've replaced them a number of times. Did you buy them from the same place? over what time span? Reason: If from the same place (or even from different places in the same zip code) it could be possible that all the ones you got were from the same build batch. Perhaps a faulty batch. And the place you got them doesn't sell many, so yo kept buying new ones from the same faulty batch, hence the repeat problems. And if they aren't a TL dealer, they may not have gotten a recall notice, if there was one. If different places but close together, maybe they all got the same bad batch ones, so you were still buying faulty ones. I know, sounds far fetched, but the universe has a perverse sense of humour and it just may have been your turn to be the butt. [emoticon]
I would seriously be emailing TL with pics. From all accounts, a very good company, which is rare these days. So they will be interested and you'll also be doing the TC community a solid if, in fact there is a bad batch, and others just haven't been bit yet. Could literally be saving a life, as what you've described is a catastrophic failure.
Or, and I know others have thought this to themselves, there's a big chunk of the picture we're not being shown, which again, I'm not stating is the case. But I'm sure you can understand, given the seemingly unicorn like issue coupled with this being the internet... [emoticon]
TorkLift.....are you here lurking?


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HadEnough wrote:

Geo*Boy wrote:

Very strange, my AF 990 doesn’t move period. I tension my Fastguns per Torklift spec’s.


It would probably move if your frame mounts looked like mine. Ha ha.

I have had Torklift frame mounts and Fastguns on two GM trucks and two different campers and never a bend or a broken weld on either of them.
I don’t like saying this but YOU are definitely doing something seriously wrong.

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Geo*Boy wrote:

HadEnough wrote:

Geo*Boy wrote:

Very strange, my AF 990 doesn’t move period. I tension my Fastguns per Torklift spec’s.


It would probably move if your frame mounts looked like mine. Ha ha.

I have had Torklift frame mounts and Fastguns on two GM trucks and two different campers and never a bend or a broken weld on either of them.
I don’t like saying this but YOU are definitely doing something seriously wrong.




Like what??

What can you even do wrong? It’s a piece of metal formed by Torklift into a frame. It’s a Dodge RAM pickup truck. It’s an Arctic Fox TC. I didn’t make ANY of these components and I didn’t install the Torklift equipment. It was all installed professionally by a Torklift installer. Both times. Different installers.

So do tell me what I’m doing wrong...

Because all I’ve done is decide to go with Arctic Fox, Dodge and Torklift. I guess that was wrong?

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The style of TL mount is different than shown earlier, and a lot different than mine.
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OPs are not welded at top to a piece of angle but end is bent and bolts to bed cross member. Shown in previous thread.
IF the bolt drops, upward force from camper the flat bar brace can 'slide' inboard, that in turn breaks lower weld.
2 issues-1st This style works in conjunction with frame tower and existing bolt plate, Ops towers are shredded.
Second and primary is instead of a 1/2" bolt going thru mount into bed someone dropped a smaller bolt thru.
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While there is a lot of torn metal it sure looks like someone cut out the top of towers?
Mount brace is supposed to mount to it. Issue here is from what I gather, the bolt that's supposed to go up thru is also the bed mount...
If OP can fab a belly bar should hold camper, really doesn't take that much.
The existing situation/condition & way it was bolted, only option was to fail. Still need to address bed mount towers, if that is what it also does.


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AnEv942, I think we totally agree here. Major installation failure, not product failure.

The ones on my '05 Chevy don't have the bent top either but a top plate welded on. Furthermore, the top plate extends back in the opposite direction (toward the outside of the truck) where the hole is drilled, so it easily clears the stock towers and bolts to the crossmember away from the stock mounting.

The OP's don't even look like the right product for that truck. At a minimum, I'd modify any replacements to work like mine do or at least see what TL has to say about it.

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AnEv942 wrote:

The style of TL mount is different than shown earlier, and a lot different than mine.
[image]
OPs are not welded at top to a piece of angle but end is bent and bolts to bed cross member. Shown in previous thread.
IF the bolt drops, upward force from camper the flat bar brace can 'slide' inboard, that in turn breaks lower weld.
2 issues-1st This style works in conjunction with frame tower and existing bolt plate, Ops towers are shredded.
Second and primary is instead of a 1/2" bolt going thru mount into bed someone dropped a smaller bolt thru.
[image]

[image]

[image]

While there is a lot of torn metal it sure looks like someone cut out the top of towers?
Mount brace is supposed to mount to it. Issue here is from what I gather, the bolt that's supposed to go up thru is also the bed mount...
If OP can fab a belly bar should hold camper, really doesn't take that much.
The existing situation/condition & way it was bolted, only option was to fail. Still need to address bed mount towers, if that is what it also does.



Now this is an interesting post. Yes, that’s the style of frame mount for my truck.

Because I didn’t install these at all and a certified installer did, I am not sure what anything is supposed to look like down there other than the mount should be attached to the frame and in one piece.

I think I’ll go with the belly bar so I don’t need to deal with this all the time.

However, you mentioned the bed mount towers. Those are the ripped up metal, right? Those should be sort of like 90 degree L brackets holding the bed to the frame?

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I was trying to say the same thing in my previous post. Things are torn up in your installation and your camper is basically resting on your TL diagonal braces...not good.

Get the proper install and fix the tower mounts and you won't have this issue or need to build belly bars. Even if you add a belly bar, your bed will flex downward horribly there when your camper rocks toward the front without proper factory supports.

Here's what mine look like:

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The TL doesn't interfere with the stock bed tower at all. You should have a quality welder fix up the bed mounts and customize the TL brackets to work alongside the stock supports, not butcher them.

You may also want to sight down your bed as it sure looks like a crease just beyond the tower and the TL brace is inboard of where it should be. Both signs of the compromised stock towers. On that really bad passenger side it looks the constant up & down hammering of the camper sheared the undersized bolt, which bent the diagonal brace toward the center, which further hammered the already compromised stock tower.

* This post was edited 09/04/20 08:03pm by wnjj *

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Nice to see some progress on the mystery! Would be pretty crappy if some dip-schnitzel used an incorrect bolt and caused you all this damage and grief. Be worth looking into and knocking some heads off if found to be the case. And if it caused damage to your truck frame, then I'd say they are on the hook for more then just brackets. And again, TL will appreciate learning about this.

I had my rear frame/hitch receivers move b/c the dumbschnitz installer put on undersized U bolt brackets that hold the tubes to the hitch cross bar. That was a coarse, one way conversation when I closed the managers door behind myself.

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