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Grit dog wrote:

Surfs pretty well for a 20’ boat. This is the better part of 2000lbs ballast and over 1000lbs of human ballast.


Looks better with boat riding on it's bottom vs chine.

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I prefer a Malibu for surfing.
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BenK wrote:

Am curious and ask you all who think warranty ratings do much...

Or Coast Gaurd max occupancy for all certified boats ?

They *All* can hold, carry, spin, etc more than their ratings...


Oopsie, I may have the water cops on me too....
That surf pic didn’t come without a little exter ballusting.
CG plate says 1440lbs max.
I “might” have had 2000lbs of ballast and 7 people in the boat (and one surfing)....
Bout 3000lbs on top of dual batteries, 3 amps, 8 component speakers, 2 subs and 2 coolers with beer!


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Bionic Man wrote:

I prefer a Malibu for surfing.
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Awesome!

Nice wave from the goofy side of a ‘Bu! And the scenery....Powell?
Btw, I can’t surf RF fwd, yet.
Did manage to surf heel side on the starboard side though. Want to feel like you’re learning all over again and drunk? try heel side!
Do you get good push on the starboard side?
Friends are looking at a Nautique but all are L foot forward riders. Told him better check it out. Nautis are rh rotation.

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BenK wrote:

Am curious and ask you all who think warranty ratings do not mean much...do you all follow the ICE's RPM rating ?

AKA....tach red line for your ICE

Or Coast Gaurd max occupancy for all certified boats ?

Ditto elevators, airplanes, etc

They *All* can hold, carry, spin, etc more than their ratings...

Ben, having had vehicles that have not performed at warranty ratings, ie stalled out, as those warranty ratings and how they get them, need to be IMHO taken with a grain of salt at times. I've had vehicles with half the eating of another, the lower one actually did better in Some instances va others.
Ancjora for boats, is another one of those don't get in a argument with someone. What works for them, may not work for you due to different so conditions.
In general, I keep them in mind from an axle standpoint. From a gvwr standpoint, keep it in mind, but if over, yet under axle ratings, I don't worry! Gcwr, that's a crdp shoot if you think you are safe etc under it. The new rules give the performance ratings to follow. BUT, if you want more sdpeed than soeced, steeper minimum grade to go up. Increased frontal area than speced, the manufactured don't tell you reduction or increase you need to do so effectively. So you get and see questions like the post on the F450 slowing down. Person probably thought rating allowed him to go speed limit, when in reality, his speed would or will be 45-50 per how specs manufacture must certify at.

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Ben, as far as USCG regs and recommendations, regs I follow, remondations, throw them POS away! On my sailboat, the race reg requirements sink USCG regs! Look at off shore race rules requirements! Most boaters get scared when they read the stuff you need!
Like a lot of things, manufacture warranty ratings, government ratings, are bare bare bare bone minimums one needs to function.
Owner operator needs to go by understand what will or will not work for them in application they are in. Kinds like a shot gun will work, NOT! On a charging grizzly! But it's a gun!!!

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blt2ski wrote:

BenK wrote:

Am curious and ask you all who think warranty ratings do not mean much...do you all follow the ICE's RPM rating ?

AKA....tach red line for your ICE

Or Coast Gaurd max occupancy for all certified boats ?

Ditto elevators, airplanes, etc

They *All* can hold, carry, spin, etc more than their ratings...

Ben, having had vehicles that have not performed at warranty ratings, ie stalled out, as those warranty ratings and how they get them, need to be IMHO taken with a grain of salt at times. I've had vehicles with half the eating of another, the lower one actually did better in Some instances va others.
Ancjora for boats, is another one of those don't get in a argument with someone. What works for them, may not work for you due to different so conditions.
In general, I keep them in mind from an axle standpoint. From a gvwr standpoint, keep it in mind, but if over, yet under axle ratings, I don't worry! Gcwr, that's a crdp shoot if you think you are safe etc under it. The new rules give the performance ratings to follow. BUT, if you want more sdpeed than soeced, steeper minimum grade to go up. Increased frontal area than speced, the manufactured don't tell you reduction or increase you need to do so effectively. So you get and see questions like the post on the F450 slowing down. Person probably thought rating allowed him to go speed limit, when in reality, his speed would or will be 45-50 per how specs manufacture must certify at.

Marty


When I started on this forum, just about 8 yrs ago, it was a forum of sticker readers. Only a few understood where the GVWR of a 3/4, or 1 ton truck came from. I remember reading a thread of the poor fellow that bought a late model used F350, with a GVWR of 10,000. Due to this, the sticker crowd told him he needed to trade it for one with a 11,500 GVWR sticker. While Ford would issue the sticker you wanted for registration, most looked at the sticker, not the truck! GCVWR is another example of a manufacturer trying to protect their warranty. Yes, this rating matters, as going grossly over this rating, long term, is going to strain the drive line components. Axle ratings matter, but in many cases it is not the axle itself, but springs, tires/wheels, and brakes the concern. In some cases these items can be easily improved on. Lots of folks don't understand the payload sticker, the yellow one should not exceed xxxx .

Recently a thread in towing forum, about tire inflation, a member suggested to another, that he needed to follow the tire inflation sticker of his 1/2 ton truck 30 front 33 rear, when towing a TT weighing over 7K. The one giving this recommendation had NO EXPERIENCE towing a heavy trailer, but only knew how to read tire stickers/tire markings. He had no idea how unsafe it would be to tow with soft tires, that could safely be aired to 51 lbs if needed.

Fortunately, the number of sticker readers has become the minority, and common sense, experience has helped many. So many more members have a better understanding of ratings, and know which are important, and others not so much. [emoticon]

Jerry





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Grit dog wrote:

WA doesn’t have a right and left side of the Cascades, it has a right and wrong side! Lol


This is so true! I moved from the wrong side to the right side in 2013.


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deltabravo wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

WA doesn’t have a right and left side of the Cascades, it has a right and wrong side! Lol


This is so true! I moved from the wrong side to the right side in 2013.


And no disrespect to the wet siders. It's a beautiful area with sooo much to do and a totally different climate than most other parts of the country.
I actually love the wet side scenery and somewhat, ahem, a little, for a while, the rainy season. Glad we've experienced it and would be content living here.
I'll keep the politics out of it as mot of us here are in agreement on that.
(Hard to believe, but agree more than on trucks and stuff, lol)
But, we knew we wanted to move at some point to N Idaho/Eastern WA/MT for a long time, before even visiting it.
And frankly as endearing as the peaceful rain and greenery is, it is not a substitute for 300 days of sun and dry snow in the winter!

God willing, I'll be managing our operations out of the Spokane area within the next year or so and we get to move over there!!

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Grit dog wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:

I prefer a Malibu for surfing.
[image]


Awesome!

Nice wave from the goofy side of a ‘Bu! And the scenery....Powell?
Btw, I can’t surf RF fwd, yet.
Did manage to surf heel side on the starboard side though. Want to feel like you’re learning all over again and drunk? try heel side!
Do you get good push on the starboard side?
Friends are looking at a Nautique but all are L foot forward riders. Told him better check it out. Nautis are rh rotation.


Here is regular side. I'd buy a Bu again. Great boat. Rider is about 6'4" for comparison.
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