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agesilaus

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No more DEF than I use in a year's time the small amount of money for the new and improved "Platinum" DEF is nothing and I will begin using it until proven otherwise.


I'd say you have that backwards, I'll begin using when they prove that it works not the other way around. I found plenty of links once I switched to SCR deposits both on Google and YouTube but they were almost all either scientific paers or major industrial users.
I worked at a power plant and we bought technical grade DEF by the tank truck load several times a week. It was 50% Urea the highest concentration that you can get that does not freeze at higher temps.
That was fed into a building sized SCR and that would build up deposits which were removed by steam cleaning.
But that was low purity DEF and the stuff we use is supposed to be higher purity and if it was a problemI would expect to find articles on the diesel truck forums, here, or on the diesel maintenance areas of YouTube but I don't see those.
So it does not seem to be a real problem.


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Frankly as a retired chemist I'd be more likely to believe this if they explained what miracle additive they are using. Otherwise it sounds like marketing BS. DEF is plain and simple 35% Urea

I'm with you, if there was some super special ingredient it would have to be cited in the SDS......and there is no mention of any components in the mixture other than 33% Urea and 67% water. There can be no additives that create the "Advanced System Shield" because by law they would have to appear in the SDS.

The ONLY thing that might make sense is if they have simply reduced impurities in the mixture [emoticon] I haven't seen an elemental analysis of DEF deposits, but I suppose it's possible if there are mineral salts present in cheap DEF that they could crystalize and build up over time. Or there could be a reaction with trace metals and the urea that occurs under heat that forms crystals. IF I had to guess I'd say the Platinum product just uses a higher purity water source like double distilled water instead of reverse osmosis water. Or, maybe they use a higher purity urea when making the DEF solution.

The description says "prevents future deposits" so if you already have chunks in your exhaust this new product will not dissolve them.

As for the production of urea, as you stated, it's a synthetic process and is described here: Urea Production Process


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agesilaus wrote:

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No more DEF than I use in a year's time the small amount of money for the new and improved "Platinum" DEF is nothing and I will begin using it until proven otherwise.


I'd say you have that backwards, I'll begin using when they prove that it works not the other way around.............

Nope, I have it forward. I would rather use it and later find there is no benefit than to not use it and find the continued deposits required costly repairs to the emissions system.

To each his own.

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agesilaus wrote:

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No more DEF than I use in a year's time the small amount of money for the new and improved "Platinum" DEF is nothing and I will begin using it until proven otherwise.


I'd say you have that backwards, I'll begin using when they prove that it works not the other way around.............

Nope, I have it forward. I would rather use it and later find there is no benefit than to not use it and find the continued deposits required costly repairs to the emissions system.

To each his own.

Since all def made to meet the specified std has exactly the same omposition, dictated very specifically, it's not clear how this new DEF can be any different than any other that meets the spec. The mfg needs to get it certified to meet the ISO std. in order to license it as meeting the stds.


Now how the DEF injection works, that's another issue with each mfg having the system for injection.


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Same same, it is DEF. $20.00 for the same thing at sam's club for $11.00


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Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.

Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...

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noteven wrote:

Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.

Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...


Is that supposed to be funny?

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agesilaus wrote:

noteven wrote:

Welcome aboard our flight to Denver today.

Accounting has determined Aeroshell Turbine 560 oil is marketing hype and flim flam so today we are operating our Rolls Royce engines on Walmart 10w30...


Is that supposed to be funny?


I thought it was [emoticon] I prefer Mobil 254 turbine oil.


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Here's a video on this new DEF. Fast forward to 8:44 for some better details on the product. They cleared up a couple of questions and that this product will not reduce existing build up and the shelf life is the same as the current Blue DEF.

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FishOnOne wrote:

Here's a video on this new DEF. Fast forward to 8:44 for some better details on the product. They cleared up a couple of questions and that this product will not reduce existing build up and the shelf life is the same as the current Blue DEF.

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Thanks for the link. The project leader called it an 'additive package'. I have a hard time believing that since the SDS for this product has NO difference from the old product. Again, this is NOT POSSIBLE because any chemical in the mixture it must be shown on the SDS. They only claim 33% Urea and 67% water on the SDS which means there is nothing else.

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