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ShinerBock

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32vld wrote:



comparing apples to oranges when you mention trim levels. talking in circles.

you cite numbers that apply to trucks that are driven 100,000 miles a year.
so these diesel engine trucks will reach the break even point in 1 year and
in the next 2 years of operation will save them money.

yet you ignore that most campers will drive 200 to 1,000 miles a year camping.
which does not even provide the opportunity to reach the break even point
after 20 years of driving.

todays gasoline engines go 300,000 miles. Chances are after 10 - 20 years
most times it does not pay to rebuild the engine because overall condition
of deterioration of the pickup/suburban to time and normal wear and tear the
truck one would be better to buy a new and better pickup that will have
more power, mpg, payload, towing, braking, handling, ride.

MPG is not the only factor in buying a truck.
30 mpg car or 5 mpg school bus, which is better.

bus holds 60 kids drive a 5 mile route, 5 mpg/60 students delivered.
bus used 5 gallons
30 mph the driving time is 6 minutes

car with driver can fit 3 students
car has to drive that loop 20 times, car drives 100 miles, used 3.33 gallons
car has to drive that 6 minute loop 20 times


Nope, trim level is an options that add value just like 4wd and engines. Whatever you got to tell yourself to make you feel better about your purchase. I guess you better tell all those half ton owners that they wasted their money on the gas engine upgrade because they will never recoupe it back and will likely spend over $5k in lifetime ownership over the base engine. While you are at it, you might want to go tell those Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners that they wasted their money on a V8 over the V6 excuse they will never get it back even though it raises the value of their car. Heck, why stop there. You might as well go tell everyone who purchased a premium engine over the base engine in every vehicle that they wasted their money.

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the topic is not leather seats are better than cloth or cloth seats are better than vinyl.
that rugs or rubber floor mats are better.
that manual AC is better than automatic climate control.
that multi speaker radio system with CD and blue tooth is better than plain AM FM radio.

2.7 turbo to a 4.3 $385 more to a 5.3 another $1,790 more

towing capacity:

2.7 - 6,800
4.3 - 7,700
5.3 - 9,800 - 11,500

Why spend $10,000 on a diesel to tow 10,000 lbs
when a 5.3 for $2,175 will tow 10,000 lbs

YOU KEEP IGNORING THE FACT

that most people only drive 500 to 1,000 miles a year camping. That the better diesel
mpg will never be driven drive enough miles to recoup that extra $10,000 dollars
spent to have a diesel engine.

Too many people confuse a Want for a Need.

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We’ve done 1150 miles so far this year and have at least 1 more trip to go at at least 200 miles or more. We just got a 2020 f250 diesel mainly for pulling the camper, but being a diesel should last us the rest of our lives, so We think the extra expense is worth it.

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32vld wrote:

the topic is not leather seats are better than cloth or cloth seats are better than vinyl.
that rugs or rubber floor mats are better.
that manual AC is better than automatic climate control.
that multi speaker radio system with CD and blue tooth is better than plain AM FM radio.

2.7 turbo to a 4.3 $385 more to a 5.3 another $1,790 more

towing capacity:

2.7 - 6,800
4.3 - 7,700
5.3 - 9,800 - 11,500

Why spend $10,000 on a diesel to tow 10,000 lbs
when a 5.3 for $2,175 will tow 10,000 lbs

YOU KEEP IGNORING THE FACT

that most people only drive 500 to 1,000 miles a year camping. That the better diesel
mpg will never be driven drive enough miles to recoup that extra $10,000 dollars
spent to have a diesel engine.

Too many people confuse a Want for a Need.


So in your analogy, all those people who paid the extra upfront cost and extra money on fuel (since premium fuel is needed) on a 6.2L just to tow 10k are wasting their money? Or, if a half ton owner only tows 5k (like most people outside the RV world)? They are wasting their money getting the 5.3L like a vast majority of GM half ton truck owners do?


What about the diesel in the GM half ton which is only a $1k upgrade in the 1500, not a $10k. And it also gets about 6 mpg better than the 5.3L according to Fuelly and will pay for itself in less than 40k miles at current prices. It is only rated to tow 9k, so going by what you stated above, anyone who is not towing over 9k is wasting their money getting the 5.3L over the 3.0L diesel.

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But I won’t because I don’t care and I don’t bash anyone for what they drive or own. Never have.


I can't say this is entirely true but it's good to see you don't subscribe to the Ram Mafia anymore!


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FishOnOne wrote:

Grit dog wrote:



But I won’t because I don’t care and I don’t bash anyone for what they drive or own. Never have.


I can't say this is entirely true but it's good to see you don't subscribe to the Ram Mafia anymore!


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"Why spend $10,000 on a diesel to tow 10,000 lbs"

CUZ I can.


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I bought a new diesel F-350 in 2002 and I am still driving it. It cost $35k and is now worth $18k. No gas truck could come close. Believe whatever you want.

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In my area gas powered HD trucks are relatively rare and sell for much less than the same diesel powered trucks. Of course the exception is many of the Ford diesels after the 7.3L was discontinued....[emoticon]

So as has been mentioned many times, the diesel truck will net way more when it's time to sell or trade in so the difference in fuel economy is only one consideration when making the decision to buy.


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