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RRTom

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I just had the house batteries replaced with AGM's. I checked the built in "battery control" and voltage was reading 8.85. This was one week after install. I started the generator to exercise it, the A/C and charge the batteries. The gen ran very rough for about a minute and half, and then stopped. I will let the dealer sort the gen problem out since it's still under warranty.

I plugged in the 50 amp this morning and immediately checked the "battery control" and got a reading of 13.3. I left it alone for a while and it stayed right in that range. I have now unplugged the 50 amp and the voltage dipped to 12.9, did the battery disconnect, and I will check again in an hour. I have been told that leaving the 50 amp plugged in while parked next to the house will damage my batteries.

Also, when i do the battery disconnect, and then reconnect, the radio comes on by itself. ???

I am "electrical system illiterate" and would appreciate any possible explanations for this.


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Discharged batteries should ramp up the voltage to 14.8V for bulk charging and then ramp down to 13.6V for float. (see your battery specs for exact voltage)

IF leaving your RV plugged in damages the battery then your charger is rather marginal.

Most rigs have loads that cannot be switched off which might expain your 8.8V. And 8.8V is not good for the battery. Posting your battery and charger make and model should get you better input. Ditto for the radio.


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A mistake most people make is determining how quickly batteries charge and discharge. People think if you put a battery on a charger it should be charged up within an hour. This is false. Depending on the level of discharge, it might take several hours or even overnight to charge it fully. Also, a partially charged battery will discharge much faster than a fully charged battery. So, if you put it on the charger for an hour and then attempt to use it, it will discharge again very quickly.

From your description, it sounds like your genset issue is directly related to your battery problem. One thing that you said that is questionable is that your genset is under warranty. Do you have an extended warranty, is your rig new what? If your rig is new then why did you replace your batteries? Generally, batteries will start their charging around 15VDC and then that will drop slowly as the battery reaches it's full capacity. AGMS are different than wets also, so your on board charger needs to be told they're AGMS....Dennis

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At 13.3 volts I would stay plugged in with the battery switch on.

Down to 8.85 may have already damaged the batteries some with loss of capacity.

Damage to batteries was from old trickle chargers set at 13.8 volts combined with poor maintenance of the water levels. Does not apply in your situation.


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RR,

Something you need to do is locate your converter/charger and the paper work (documentation) that should have come with it. Then come back and tell us about it.

Yes, all of the posted numbers say you have a problem, but how much of a problem remains to be seen.

I have a very old coach, and I leave it plugged into the 50 as long as it is in range. I have a good system and I have zero problems.

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Executive wrote:

A mistake most people make is determining how quickly batteries charge and discharge. People think if you put a battery on a charger it should be charged up within an hour. This is false. Depending on the level of discharge, it might take several hours or even overnight to charge it fully. Also, a partially charged battery will discharge much faster than a fully charged battery. So, if you put it on the charger for an hour and then attempt to use it, it will discharge again very quickly.

From your description, it sounds like your genset issue is directly related to your battery problem. One thing that you said that is questionable is that your genset is under warranty. Do you have an extended warranty, is your rig new what? If your rig is new then why did you replace your batteries? Generally, batteries will start their charging around 15VDC and then that will drop slowly as the battery reaches it's full capacity. AGMS are different than wets also, so your on board charger needs to be told they're AGMS....Dennis

The following article might help answer some of your questions. At the very least, it will give you a little insight. Click HERE BOL...D


Yes, the batteries would still have been under warranty but I over filled the original batteries and made a mess. Decided no more wet batteries. The space where they are makes it difficult for my old eyes to see what I'm doing, and my back just screams if I have to stay bent over long enough to get the job of checking and filling the batteries done.

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time2roll wrote:

At 13.3 volts I would stay plugged in with the battery switch on.

Down to 8.85 may have already damaged the batteries some with loss of capacity.

Damage to batteries was from old trickle chargers set at 13.8 volts combined with poor maintenance of the water levels. Does not apply in your situation.


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Matt_Colie wrote:

RR,

Something you need to do is locate your converter/charger and the paper work (documentation) that should have come with it. Then come back and tell us about it.

Yes, all of the posted numbers say you have a problem, but how much of a problem remains to be seen.

I have a very old coach, and I leave it plugged into the 50 as long as it is in range. I have a good system and I have zero problems.

Matt


I will do that and post the info.

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Matt_Colie wrote:

RR,

Something you need to do is locate your converter/charger and the paper work (documentation) that should have come with it. Then come back and tell us about it.

Yes, all of the posted numbers say you have a problem, but how much of a problem remains to be seen.

I have a very old coach, and I leave it plugged into the 50 as long as it is in range. I have a good system and I have zero problems.

Matt


My converter is a Intellipower PD9270 with built-in Charge Wizard. Output 13.6 VDC, 70 AMP."The Charge Wizard microprocessor constantly monitors the battery voltage and automatically adjusts the converter output voltage to provide the proper charging voltage for fast recharges and long-term maintenance." But it doesn't mention AGM batteries. I sent an email to the company asking if it could be used with AGM's.

Another question: If the battery is "disconnected" at the switch, should the interior ceiling lights still work?

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From PD website. Doug



What Type of batteries are recommended?
Deep cycle Flooded Lead Acid, AGM , Gel Cell
Battery size should not be less than the converter size in AMPS.

Also, you MUST---MUST monitor your new AGM battery/s. DO NOT let them go dead. AGM batteries do not take going completely dead and then recharging. Deep Cycle lead batteries can handle that. AGM's cannot. Doug

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