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Lantley wrote:

Those simple no frills trucks are available, but consumers simply don't buy them.
Lots of business buy the plain white vinyl seat trucks that are considerably cheaper. But consumers gravitate to Platinum, Denali, High Country, King Ranch etc.
Plain Jane is not very popular.


This happens with cars as well. Tesla makes a plain Jane 35000 dollar model 3 but sells very few. People are willing to pay more 3 or 4 grand more for the upgrade stereo, lighting package, performance. Heated rear seats etc.

Marketing is key.

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The top of the line trim package is something I find fairly easy to justify. I’m looking at pricing on a new Ram and struggle with paying $2500 to upgrade from the regular Cummins to the high output. Then they want $1500 for adding air ride.


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At the end of the day we balk at the prices and claim we want a cheaper truck. However when a considerably cheaper equally capable no frills truck is presented, Most buyers turn there nose up and prefer the more costly models.


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Posted: 11/14/20 03:42pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My last truck was an XL trim and my current one is a Tradesman, so I am one of the few exceptions that stays away from from high priced gadgetry.


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ppine wrote:

You are right as rain, and used trucks are no better.
I bought my first pickup for $3,300 in about 1974. It was a Chevy Luv with an Isuzu engine and a 4 speed and 2wd. It went everywhere.

I just saw a 2002 Ford diesel go fro $35 k.

If one of the car makers figures out that there is a market for simple trucks at a lower price they will sell all they can make. I don't need a backup camera, blue tooth and adjustable pedals. I would buy a truck with vinyl floors and seats if the drivetrain was good.

That’s what I purchase, my first truck, 1972 GMC half ton, 250 cu. in. 6 cyl. three on the tree and was $2,500.00, my present truck 2015 GMC 3500 HD dually was $40,000. Both trucks are base trucks and do everything I need my truck to do.
If I want fast and fancy that’s what my car/SUV is for.

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4x4ord wrote:

The top of the line trim package is something I find fairly easy to justify. I’m looking at pricing on a new Ram and struggle with paying $2500 to upgrade from the regular Cummins to the high output. Then they want $1500 for adding air ride.


I'm surprised to hear that the HO Cummins is that much more. Does that include the Aisin transmission?

A buddy of mine just bought a 2020 Ram 3500 Megacab Limited with Aisin and air ride; listed at $102k and I believe he got it for around $80k. I wanted to kiss my 2013 after hearing that! [emoticon]


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Truck + RV + Boat = a lifetime of hard work to get there. Truck was $40k 14 years ago, RV was $60k 2 years ago and the new boat was $80k 2 months ago.


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blofgren wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

The top of the line trim package is something I find fairly easy to justify. I’m looking at pricing on a new Ram and struggle with paying $2500 to upgrade from the regular Cummins to the high output. Then they want $1500 for adding air ride.


I'm surprised to hear that the HO Cummins is that much more. Does that include the Aisin transmission?

A buddy of mine just bought a 2020 Ram 3500 Megacab Limited with Aisin and air ride; listed at $102k and I believe he got it for around $80k. I wanted to kiss my 2013 after hearing that! [emoticon]


Yep that includes the Aisin. It is based on the Canadian price list. The regular Cummins/68rfe is a $9500 option and the Aisin HO Cummins is an additional $2500. I think it would be very seldom that I would even notice the additional power. Seems like most of the high end trucks on the lots are ordered in with the HO.

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rate of inflation plus new gadgets like cameras, power mirrors and everything, plus govt safety like airbags. Take them all into consideration, to buy a basic truck like 40 years ago the new one is $ less and will last longer, resale much better.
My '07 classic chevy LT trim ext. cab 8' bed lbz diesel listed $53k in '07' bought $38k cash. Still resales privately for near 20k with 180000 mi.
Thats less than $ 1500/ yr depriciation adjusted for inflation. Am not planning to sell it, but the new bug is biting.

I do have a different philosophy and approach to finance and vehicles. In business, my accountant advises when to sell, replace.

Resisting the bug for new comes down to need, or reliability. Needs change, reliability is relative. Where once upon a time a truck with as low as 80k was done ( circa 1960s) , we now can depend on 250 - 400k mi. even more with dependability. Shouldnt that be that a factor in your decision to keep, trade or sell?
My truck has not been without off warranty issues, An idler pulley, a couple of glow plugs, thermostats, blown tranny oil line. I pulled the wrenches at home.
In 13 years its been to Chevy once, 2 years ago to update the computer when it repeatedly showed a code for excessive EGR (402) It was a fault in the after turbo exhaust temp sensor. $32 part I changed it.

Searching for a new truck equal locally or better shows price icash price $62-66 k After negotiation, that should be around $ 50-52 k Never have I paid or will pay ' documentation fee, extended warantee, or any other dealer add on. Do that on your own or with aftermarket suppliers.

State your price, stand by it. Walk Run if you have to.

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Hello,

Interesting thread. I have taught Dave Ramsey FPU for ten years. He has good advice on personal finances. We have paid cash for all vehicles since 1992.

We bought the new fifth wheel and gas F250 this year. I ordered and got a good price by flying to Houston, picking up the F250 there and the fifth wheel on the way back in Las Cruces. This is probably the last RV (three prior class A RVs, last one a 40DP with a Cummins 400ISL) and most likely the final truck.

I like the gas engine. About 80% DD and 20% towing. Yes, it does rev higher on hills towing, but it is rated for 26K GCWR and does fine at 21K. The TFLTruck F250 pulled 16K up the IKE (to 11,000 feet at Eisenhower Pass). My truck rated the top of the gassers for TFL on the IKE. I pull 14K up and down the coast of CA and it does fine.

If you tow heavy and often, you should have a diesel. If you are like me and tow low altitude and a reasonable load with a ten speed tranny and 4.30 rear axle, you will be fine with a gasser.

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