Dualie vs SRW benefits?

[blaczero]

Hey guys, I have been looking at the F350 for a 5th wheel I will be buying and I am confused about SRW / DRW.

According to the towing weight / GCWR, there is only about 500lb difference between SRW/DRW.

Why would you go dualie then? I figured SRW with 6.7' bed would be better driving w/o the 5th attached, better to get in and out of parking lots etc...

What am I missing?

[ACZL]

4x4ord wrote:

ACZL wrote:
I was at/over the limits on my '15 F350 SRW SB, CC, 4x4, 6.7 with current RV in sig. While it towed it w/ ease, just had this nagging feeling in pit of my stomach about certain overages. Year after we bought the RV, decided to go to FL for summer vaykay and this was the straw that broke the camels back. Sodespite how much I really liked the '15 SRW, bought a '17 F350 DRW, CC, 4x4, 6.7 and what a difference in towing. For all the reasons already stated plus the fact that the DW said she felt more comfy when she had to drive so I could catch some sleep. A true downside to the DRW is driving in snow. Simply put, they stink even w/ 1200# of tube sand over rear axle. I have managed to navigate drive-thrus, but they still are tight. Parking can be a bit cumbersome, but again, manage it. No car washes in my part can accommodate a DRW, so washing is all Armstrong. Do I wish I had a SRW? For everyday errands/bopping around and wintertime, YES. But it's not going to happen, so I adjust and live w/ it. Towing the RV (Pin 3700, dry 14,000, total max 16,000), makes life a lot more enjoyable.

The 2020 Is a totally different truck than your 2015 was. I believe there is a significant difference in the suspension of the 2020 vs my ‘17 . As well, even though I don’t feel I need the benefit of a long box, the long box will tow nicer than a short box.

I just took a gander at Ford's '20 towing info and despite a 350 w/ the 12,400 pkg, it's cargo capacity is only 3751 lbs. In my case w/a pin of 3700, doesn't leave a whole lotta room for extra stuff. When I had the '15, it scaled out at 12,350 on truck w/ trailer so already over the 11,500 rating for that model year and if I went by the 12,400 rating (long box which I wouldn't want, but that's a different thing), I'd still be right on the border line. Yes I'm sure the newest trucks all have higher tow ratings, but when it comes to SRW and CCC, IMO, not a whole lotta wiggle room with a. pin of 3700 or close to it.

[4x4ord]

Crespro wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
The difference in price between a diesel srw and a 7.3 litre gasoline powered dually is about $6500. You’d likely get $5k of that back 12 years down the road. For a 15k fiver I think you’d be much happier with a SRW diesel than a dual wheeled gasser.

Diesel Price on same F-350 with $3K discount is about $64K or $10K more. I agree the diesel is a great engine (had a 400 ISL in my Monaco), but the 7.3 gas is a good option up to 16K. If you plan to tow over 16K, you clearly should have a diesel.

Base MSRPS1 $46,305 Total of OptionsS4 $19,385 Destination ChargesS17 $1,695 Total MSRPS16 $67,385
2020 Ford Super Duty F-350 XLT Crew Cab®, 8’ Box, 6.7L Power Stroke® V8 Turbo Diesel Engine, TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission, 4.10 Limited Slip Axle Ratio, 4X2, DRW$46,305
Iconic Silver$0 Power Stroke® V8 Turbo Diesel Engine 4X2 TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission with Selectable Drive Modes 4.10 Limited Slip Axle Ratio
Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System with Pro Trailer Backup Assist™$1,600
XLT Premium Package $3,025 11,400 (SRW)/13,000 (DRW Only) GVWR Package $0
17" Forged Polished Aluminum Wheels with Bright Hub Cover and Center Ornament (DRW)$600
Tailgate Step with Tailgate Assist $375 Bedliner – Tough Bed® Spray-in$595 Rear Window – Defrost with Privacy Glass $60
5th-Wheel/Gooseneck Hitch Prep Package $500 BoxLink™$0 Hitch Kit – 5th Wheel, 27.5K$1,495 PowerScope® Telescoping Trailer Tow Mirrors $280
6-inch Angular Chrome Running Boards $0 LT245/75Rx17E BSW A/S Tires$0

The diesel is about a 10k option. Duals are about 1300 and the 7.3 is about a 1700 option. So the Msrp of a SRW diesel will be about 7k more than the MSRP of the 7.3 dually. You should be able to negotiate at least 10% off MSRP which puts the difference at about $6300.

[larry_barnhart]

we drove back to Washington st from Az for Christmas in 2015 and 2016. 2 WD 05 chev dually in very poor conditions and never spun a tire. Drove 40 miles in snow unplowed miles and had to guess where the road was. That short cut was not short this time. Of course a 4x4 would have been better for the mind but we didn't have the issues many were having.

chevman

[Crespro]

4x4ord wrote:
The difference in price between a diesel srw and a 7.3 litre gasoline powered dually is about $6500. You’d likely get $5k of that back 12 years down the road. For a 15k fiver I think you’d be much happier with a SRW diesel than a dual wheeled gasser.

Diesel Price on same F-350 with $3K discount is about $64K or $10K more. I agree the diesel is a great engine (had a 400 ISL in my Monaco), but the 7.3 gas is a good option up to 16K. If you plan to tow over 16K, you clearly should have a diesel.

Base MSRPS1 $46,305 Total of OptionsS4 $19,385 Destination ChargesS17 $1,695 Total MSRPS16 $67,385
2020 Ford Super Duty F-350 XLT Crew Cab®, 8’ Box, 6.7L Power Stroke® V8 Turbo Diesel Engine, TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission, 4.10 Limited Slip Axle Ratio, 4X2, DRW$46,305
Iconic Silver$0 Power Stroke® V8 Turbo Diesel Engine 4X2 TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission with Selectable Drive Modes 4.10 Limited Slip Axle Ratio
Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System with Pro Trailer Backup Assist™$1,600
XLT Premium Package $3,025 11,400 (SRW)/13,000 (DRW Only) GVWR Package $0
17" Forged Polished Aluminum Wheels with Bright Hub Cover and Center Ornament (DRW)$600
Tailgate Step with Tailgate Assist $375 Bedliner – Tough Bed® Spray-in$595 Rear Window – Defrost with Privacy Glass $60
5th-Wheel/Gooseneck Hitch Prep Package $500 BoxLink™$0 Hitch Kit – 5th Wheel, 27.5K$1,495 PowerScope® Telescoping Trailer Tow Mirrors $280
6-inch Angular Chrome Running Boards $0 LT245/75Rx17E BSW A/S Tires$0

[JTrac]

My 2020 Ford F350 long bed has the 12,400 GVWR. The yellow sticker payload is 4562. Our Pinnacle has a 15,500 GVWR and total weight is 14,700 fully loaded for a month long trip to the Rockies. Pin weight is 3120 and total weight on the truck is 3700. Best towing combination I have ever owned and that includes a couple of duallies in my past, the last being a 17 Ford F350 pulling a heavier Excel fifth wheel. Driving it is a little easier than the dually because of not having to account for the wide hips but it still won't fit length wise in most parking spots.

[Edd505]

RoyF wrote:
I tow a 12,000 lb. (loaded and wet) fiver with single rear-axle long bed F350 and am well-pleased with the towing characteristics. I am not bothered by trucks passing. The GCWR is 3,700 lbs, but that is adequate for this trailer.

A SRW can go through bank drive-throughs and drive-through car washes. I don't think that is true of DWR trucks.

With a longer and heaver trailer I would no doubt need a DRW.

I'm almost the same with my 5W and SRW F350, never had and issue with stability. I do find I end up parking it the back 40 at most places we shop. The CCLB is long and does not fit in most painted parking stalls, DRW would be worse.

[4x4ord]

ACZL wrote:
I was at/over the limits on my '15 F350 SRW SB, CC, 4x4, 6.7 with current RV in sig. While it towed it w/ ease, just had this nagging feeling in pit of my stomach about certain overages. Year after we bought the RV, decided to go to FL for summer vaykay and this was the straw that broke the camels back. Sodespite how much I really liked the '15 SRW, bought a '17 F350 DRW, CC, 4x4, 6.7 and what a difference in towing. For all the reasons already stated plus the fact that the DW said she felt more comfy when she had to drive so I could catch some sleep. A true downside to the DRW is driving in snow. Simply put, they stink even w/ 1200# of tube sand over rear axle. I have managed to navigate drive-thrus, but they still are tight. Parking can be a bit cumbersome, but again, manage it. No car washes in my part can accommodate a DRW, so washing is all Armstrong. Do I wish I had a SRW? For everyday errands/bopping around and wintertime, YES. But it's not going to happen, so I adjust and live w/ it. Towing the RV (Pin 3700, dry 14,000, total max 16,000), makes life a lot more enjoyable.

The 2020 Is a totally different truck than your 2015 was. I believe there is a significant difference in the suspension of the 2020 vs my ‘17 . As well, even though I don’t feel I need the benefit of a long box, the long box will tow nicer than a short box.

[cummins2014]

4x4ord wrote:
The difference in price between a diesel srw and a 7.3 litre gasoline powered dually is about $6500. You’d likely get $5k of that back 12 years down the road. For a 15k fiver I think you’d be much happier with a SRW diesel than a dual wheeled gasser.

I agree , a SRW short bed F-350 diesel would do nicely . No need for training wheels on 15K GVWR. I presently tow a 15,500 GVWR fifth wheel without a problem with a SRW Ram 3500 .

[ACZL]

I was at/over the limits on my '15 F350 SRW SB, CC, 4x4, 6.7 with current RV in sig. While it towed it w/ ease, just had this nagging feeling in pit of my stomach about certain overages. Year after we bought the RV, decided to go to FL for summer vaykay and this was the straw that broke the camels back. Sodespite how much I really liked the '15 SRW, bought a '17 F350 DRW, CC, 4x4, 6.7 and what a difference in towing. For all the reasons already stated plus the fact that the DW said she felt more comfy when she had to drive so I could catch some sleep. A true downside to the DRW is driving in snow. Simply put, they stink even w/ 1200# of tube sand over rear axle. I have managed to navigate drive-thrus, but they still are tight. Parking can be a bit cumbersome, but again, manage it. No car washes in my part can accommodate a DRW, so washing is all Armstrong. Do I wish I had a SRW? For everyday errands/bopping around and wintertime, YES. But it's not going to happen, so I adjust and live w/ it. Towing the RV (Pin 3700, dry 14,000, total max 16,000), makes life a lot more enjoyable.

[4x4ord]

I tow a 15k fiver with my 2017 short box and stay within the gvwr of the truck. The 2020 long box has a gvwr of 12400 lbs vs mine at 11500. He’d have absolutely no trouble with payload going with a 2020 srw f350 long box.

[rhagfo]

4x4ord wrote:
The difference in price between a diesel srw and a 7.3 litre gasoline powered dually is about $6000. You’d likely get $5k of that back 12 years down the road. For a 15k fiver I think you’d be much happier with a SRW diesel than a dual wheeled gasser.

The diesel should also be a DRW due to the loss of payload due to the weight of the diesel.

[4x4ord]

The difference in price between a diesel srw and a 7.3 litre gasoline powered dually is about $6500. You’d likely get $5k of that back 12 years down the road. For a 15k fiver I think you’d be much happier with a SRW diesel than a dual wheeled gasser.

[Crespro]

This F-350 DRW could be ordered with about $3K discount. For $54K, this is a fine vehicle. Yes, it does not pull like a diesel, but for a fifth wheel up to about 16K, it will perform quite well.

Base MSRPS1 $46,305 Total of OptionsS4 $8,915 Destination ChargesS17 $1,695 Total MSRPS16 $56,915
2020 Ford Super Duty F-350 XLT Crew Cab®, 8’ Box, 7.3L 2V DEVCT NA PFI V8 Engine, TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission, 4.30 Limited Slip Axle Ratio, 4X2, DRW$46,305
Iconic Silver$0 7.3L 2V DEVCT NA PFI V8 Engine 4X2 TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission with Selectable Drive Modes 4.30 Limited Slip Axle Ratio
Ultimate Trailer Tow Camera System with Pro Trailer Backup Assist™$1,600 XLT Value Package $1,600
11,400 (SRW)/13,000 (DRW Only) GVWR Package $0 Tailgate Step with Tailgate Assist $375 Bedliner – Tough Bed® Spray-in $595
5th-Wheel/Gooseneck Hitch Prep Package$500
Hitch Kit – 5th Wheel, 27.5K $1,495 6-inch Angular Chrome Running Boards $695

[rhagfo]

Allworth wrote:
Diesel

Diesel

Diesel

Well TFL tested the Ford 7.3 Godzilla in a F250 and other than being very thirsty it did very well. I believe it was towing 16,000#.7.3 Godzilla test

Not my cup of tea, I like the effortless tow with a diesel.