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jthrv

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Posted: 10/26/20 05:19am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Spend some time with Ford's website build and price. For the truck I want, regular cab, V8, 4x4, XLT, manual seats, trailering, there is Not a significant difference in MSRP between 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. There is a big difference in the trucks curb weight, so MPG will be very different.

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Posted: 10/26/20 06:11am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

As others have said, get a 2500/250 and eliminate the guess work....much more truck for not much more money.

I daily drive a F250 without complaint.

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When looking at GM half tons, the NHT gets a 9-3/4" ring gear axle. Standard trucks are still 8.6" I beleive. However, there are plenty of them with 9.76s that aren't labeled NHT/Max Tow. IE, like Fords, you CAN get the heavier axle without the special package. Rest of the truck is the same.


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Just because it is zero degrees outside and I don't feel like freezing yet, I built a 2020 half ton Trail Boss crew cab with 6.5 box LT with a 6.2L. The tow capacity says up to 13,400 and a bed capacity of 2,250. I am sure this is with an double cab version not a crew cab, but it wouldnt be too far off. The build price was 53K comfortably loaded with tow package and all the tow cameras available. I don't think you need a 2500 HD to pull 8K unless you want to and you clearly don't. The 6.2 is a heck of motor and with that 10 speed it makes it that much better.


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If you are towing in the mountains a lot and want to stick with a half ton, Ford's 3.5 ecoboost will be hard to beat. However, GMs's 6.2 liter v8 is a great motor as well but I would rather have the turbo. For what you are asking, the right half ton will do the job but you must be sure it has enough payload.


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We'll See wrote:

If you are towing in the mountains a lot and want to stick with a half ton, Ford's 3.5 ecoboost will be hard to beat. However, GMs's 6.2 liter v8 is a great motor as well but I would rather have the turbo. For what you are asking, the right half ton will do the job but you must be sure it has enough payload.


Let me throw you a softball: WHY would you rather have the turbo over the 6.2 “pure grunt” as I’d call it? Just an honest question, I don’t think there’s a wrong answer and in no way am I knocking the 3.5L eco.

Truth be told, our 5.3 in the Av had plenty of power this summer with our current load, it was more the tranny that I was watching the temps on.

And just for those saying I should look at at 3/4 ton, I’m not asking about those and I don’t want one at this time. A 1/2 ton decked out the way id like (not Lariat, not LTZ/Denali) already pushes the upper eschelon of our budget. Your “not a lot more” IS a lot more. Do I hear you when you say it’s a better towing experience? Yes I do, and someday I’ll listen When I feel I have that need. Today is not that day, thanks.


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An advantage to a forced induction motor like the Ford eco boost, a majority of dusel motors, is the fo not lose HP at higher elevations like a natural aspirated motor like the GM V8,s, Ford's 305 etal. They lose 2-3% ofHP per 1000' above sea level you go. So at 10,000' like you are at highest points in Yellowstone as an example, that 6.2 is down some 30% hp, the turbo version is still cooking along at potential max HP.
I took the same trailer, etc thru Yellowstone with a 454, 9 years latersame trailer, older teens about 1500 total lbs heavier with a GM 6.5 turbo with 50 less HP, it smoked the 454 going up the same 15% grades at 9-10,000' that the 454 could not do but in 1st gear ofits 3 so auto. The diesel with 5 gears, di it in third, or equal of 2nd with the auto. 10-15 mph faster.
Having a turbo at elevation helps.

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People that say 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons are the same price have to stop comparing msrp and actually try to get 10K off a comparable 3/4 ton. They'll kick you out of the dealership! Remember, I said comparable, not a Denali or Platinum diesel.


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Grit dog wrote:

JCK wrote:

Had a 2015 Max tow GMC 1500 If memory serves me wright it had 4300 lb. rear axle and around 1800 payload . I think the standard rear axle is 3850 lbs. I had a 28 foot Keystone bullet that was right around 6500 lbs. Truck handled it fine but you could never drive with one hand . Trailer didn’t sway but truck was constantly moving around probably because it had 20 inch P rated tires . I don’t get it you buy max tow / max payload and they give you P rated tires shame on GM . Kept it two years and got a 2017 GMC 2500 HD problem solved


That’s a nice excuse to convince the wifey you need a Duramax Denali, but you and I both know that the tire store coulda fixed that problem for less than $1000. Or you could just air them XLs up to 50+ psi in the rear and solved most of your “issue” for free!


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The tires that came on my 2015 NHT max payload with 6.2 and a eight speed were those wide 20 inch tires P series I had them aired up to the max to no advail . At that time you couldn’t buy a LT tire in that size. So it would have required a rim change also.
We’re not your local traveler we’re you can get buy with what you have.
Two trips out west first to Oregon 7200 miles
Another to Black Hills , Devils Tower ect 4500 plus miles . There’s a reason you don’t see half tons out West . The wind is always blowing hard and the grades are long and steep. Buy the correct product for the the Job and enjoy the ride
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blt2ski wrote:

An advantage to a forced induction motor like the Ford eco boost, a majority of dusel motors, is the fo not lose HP at higher elevations like a natural aspirated motor like the GM V8,s, Ford's 305 etal. They lose 2-3% ofHP per 1000' above sea level you go. So at 10,000' like you are at highest points in Yellowstone as an example, that 6.2 is down some 30% hp, the turbo version is still cooking along at potential max HP.
I took the same trailer, etc thru Yellowstone with a 454, 9 years latersame trailer, older teens about 1500 total lbs heavier with a GM 6.5 turbo with 50 less HP, it smoked the 454 going up the same 15% grades at 9-10,000' that the 454 could not do but in 1st gear ofits 3 so auto. The diesel with 5 gears, di it in third, or equal of 2nd with the auto. 10-15 mph faster.
Having a turbo at elevation helps.

Marty


That’s perfect, thanks! I think I’ve heard that before, but that helped clarify it well.

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