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ShinerBock

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Posted: 11/05/20 08:09am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

carringb wrote:

Grit dog wrote:


And a detuned 7.3 that is essentially not any better than the outgoing 6.2. The 7.3 has 35 less hp and 30 ftlbs more tq.
Yet you can get a full power 7.3 10 speed in a F550 or F600.

Heck, the Transits will even spank the E series RVs with an Eco boost and a 10 speed.

If you get a regular E series cutaway you can get a full power 7.3 though. Just the RV/bread truck options that get saddled with the inferior drivetrain.

Very well laid out towing guide though!


The Premium tune is standard on all E-series and the F53 chassis. This is the same calibration as the F450-F750. The "Economy" tune has to be selected when ordering and is only available to fleets. The 6.2L in the E-series was not dyo certified like the 7.3L is so the numbers shouldn't be compared directly.


The difference in tuning has to do with emissions certifications for the different chassis. There are different tiers and bins for each type of chassis or complete vehicle.

Also, even though the 7.3L is detuned, it is still a better choice than the 6.2L in my opinion. I know people chastised Ford for going with "old" pushrod tech, but they are considerably better in the low range than the "new" OHC engines.

For example, according to the crank dyno charts released by Ford, the 7.3l is creating 400 lb-ft at just 1,500 rpm while the 6.2L is creating less than 200 lb-ft at the same rpm which also means it is creating less than half the horsepower as well. In fact, the 7.3L is above 400 lb-ft from 1,500 to 5,500 rpm. The OHC 6.2L reaches 400 lb-ft at around 4,300 rpm and only holds it to around 5,200 rpm which is a very narrow window.

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Posted: 11/05/20 08:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ShinerBock wrote:

. . . I loved that F150HD with the 3.5L Ecoboost. It was very fun to drive especially after I had 5 Star tune it for me.
The 3.5 Ecoboost is an awesome engine. I've driven one a number of times. Gotta say, though, I so-so wish Ford had gone with a twin-turbo V8 instead. The sonic experience alone would have turned this engine into a rockstar!

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Looks like they've flattened out the torque curve of the 6.7 some: 475 HP @ 2600 rpm ... or is that a misprint?


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4x4ord wrote:

Looks like they've flattened out the torque curve of the 6.7 some: 475 HP @ 2600 rpm ... or is that a misprint?


I am seeing the same numbers in the 2020 towing guide.

Ford 2020 towing guide

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Groover wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Looks like they've flattened out the torque curve of the 6.7 some: 475 HP @ 2600 rpm ... or is that a misprint?


I am seeing the same numbers in the 2020 towing guide.

Ford 2020 towing guide


That makes sense. Somewhere I had read that the 2020 Powerstroke was rated at 475 HP @ 2800 rpm. Apparently that was wrong information.


Edit: Here is one of various places I can find the 2020 Powerstroke rated at 475 HP @ 2800 rpm:click

Edit: Maybe the 2020/2021 Powerstroke makes 475 HP from 2600-2800 rpm.

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What's happening to SD tow numbers? Are they also going up?

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philh wrote:

What's happening to SD tow numbers? Are they also going up?


Not much there. The focus this year was on the F150. The Superduty trucks generally get updated a year later.

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carringb wrote:

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And a detuned 7.3 that is essentially not any better than the outgoing 6.2. The 7.3 has 35 less hp and 30 ftlbs more tq.
Yet you can get a full power 7.3 10 speed in a F550 or F600.

Heck, the Transits will even spank the E series RVs with an Eco boost and a 10 speed.

If you get a regular E series cutaway you can get a full power 7.3 though. Just the RV/bread truck options that get saddled with the inferior drivetrain.

Very well laid out towing guide though!


The Premium tune is standard on all E-series and the F53 chassis. This is the same calibration as the F450-F750. The "Economy" tune has to be selected when ordering and is only available to fleets. The 6.2L in the E-series was not dyo certified like the 7.3L is so the numbers shouldn't be compared directly.


Well that's good to know there's an option. Guess you need to be in the know. Looking at the towing guide it says otherwise.


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lane hog wrote:

What has my attention is this:

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Pro Power Onboard
Available class-exclusive feature expands F-150’s capability by bringing generator levels of exportable power to work sites and campsites.

Provides 2.0kW, 2.4kW or 7.2kW of output depending on configuration. Accessible via in-cabin outlets and up to 4 cargo bed-mounted 120-volt/20-amp outlets with a 240-volt/30-amp outlet on models equipped the available
7.2kW system.


That 2.4kW would power up my trailer nicely on an overnight Cracker Barrel stay...


It's cool, but 2.4 and 7.2 is only available on the PowerBoost models with the hybrid setup.
Nice feature, but you could buy 3 Honda 2000 generators and $500 worth of gas for the cost of ProPower and Power Boost.
I do like the concept, although....more things to go wrong/repair down the road.
Bottom line, the "Pros" aren't going to sell their construction generators. And only the Joes would spend $3000-3500 for this.

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Groover wrote:

philh wrote:

What's happening to SD tow numbers? Are they also going up?


Not much there. The focus this year was on the F150. The Superduty trucks generally get updated a year later.


woohoo, I'm buying 2022 MY

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