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Grit dog

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theoldwizard1 wrote:

Both the F53 and E-Series Class C chassis still show only the 6 speed transmission.


And a detuned 7.3 that is essentially not any better than the outgoing 6.2. The 7.3 has 35 less hp and 30 ftlbs more tq.
Yet you can get a full power 7.3 10 speed in a F550 or F600.

Heck, the Transits will even spank the E series RVs with an Eco boost and a 10 speed.

If you get a regular E series cutaway you can get a full power 7.3 though. Just the RV/bread truck options that get saddled with the inferior drivetrain.

Very well laid out towing guide though!


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Groover wrote:

Ford 2021 towing guide

You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package.

All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings.
The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs.

Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.
Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome?

A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!

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An 8klb HD truck pulling 20klbs?
A 25klb semi tractor pulling a 55klb trailer?
What’s the difference?
If the vehicle can safely handle the tongue weight and has the power and brakes, I don’t understand the general belief by many that a half ton is somehow tapped out at slightly over its own weight when all other trucks aren’t.

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otrfun wrote:

Groover wrote:

Ford 2021 towing guide

You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package.

All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings.
The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs.

Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.
Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome?

A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!


Since you specifically mentioned the physics of the weight difference between truck and trailer, what is the difference between an F150 towing 13K and an F350 towing 21K? The proportional weight difference is exactly the same.

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Grit dog wrote:


And a detuned 7.3 that is essentially not any better than the outgoing 6.2. The 7.3 has 35 less hp and 30 ftlbs more tq.
Yet you can get a full power 7.3 10 speed in a F550 or F600.

Heck, the Transits will even spank the E series RVs with an Eco boost and a 10 speed.

If you get a regular E series cutaway you can get a full power 7.3 though. Just the RV/bread truck options that get saddled with the inferior drivetrain.

Very well laid out towing guide though!


The Premium tune is standard on all E-series and the F53 chassis. This is the same calibration as the F450-F750. The "Economy" tune has to be selected when ordering and is only available to fleets. The 6.2L in the E-series was not dyo certified like the 7.3L is so the numbers shouldn't be compared directly.


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rjstractor wrote:

Since you specifically mentioned the physics of the weight difference between truck and trailer, what is the difference between an F150 towing 13K and an F350 towing 21K? The proportional weight difference is exactly the same.
Towed 15k a few times with our ‘16 Ram 3500 SRW Cummins that weighs 8k empty. For my tastes, I would never consider towing more. Tow rating is 16k. Power is not the issue. Handling and braking is.

Towed an 8k TT with a friend’s ‘15 F150 5.0 with a 10.5k tow rating. IMO, it felt like it was at its limit. Power and handling were “ok”. Can’t even imagine 13k.

To each their own.

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Posted: 11/05/20 03:27am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

What has my attention is this:

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Pro Power Onboard
Available class-exclusive feature expands F-150’s capability by bringing generator levels of exportable power to work sites and campsites.

Provides 2.0kW, 2.4kW or 7.2kW of output depending on configuration. Accessible via in-cabin outlets and up to 4 cargo bed-mounted 120-volt/20-amp outlets with a 240-volt/30-amp outlet on models equipped the available
7.2kW system.


That 2.4kW would power up my trailer nicely on an overnight Cracker Barrel stay...



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otrfun wrote:

Groover wrote:

Ford 2021 towing guide

You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package.

All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings.
The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs.

Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.
Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome?

A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!


I do it every day. It's a better ratio than pulling 30,000lbs with an F450 and that seems to widely accepted.

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Groover wrote:

otrfun wrote:

Groover wrote:

Ford 2021 towing guide

You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package.

All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings.
The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs.

Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.
Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome?

A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!
I do it every day. It's a better ratio than pulling 30,000lbs with an F450 and that seems to widely accepted.
I hear ya.

However, for my level of comfort we wouldn't consider towing any more than ~13k on any cross-country trip with our '16 Ram 3500 SRW Cummins. I think Ram got the max. tow capacity of 16k just right.

I've towed 8k-10k with an aluminum F150 5.0 and a late model Tundra with a 5.7 (~10k tow rating for both). Both felt much less stable than our 3500 when we towed 15k.

There's no way I would consider towing 13k with an F150 that weighs 3k less (with almost half the torque) on any cross-country trip. Yup, I know folks claim they do it all the time (i.e., tows like it's not there). But, telling myself that ain't gonna make my pucker factor go away [emoticon]

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otrfun wrote:

Groover wrote:

Ford 2021 towing guide

You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package.

All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings.
The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs.

Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.
Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome?

A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!


I am with you and this is one of the reasons I traded in my 2012 F150HD Ecoboost for my Ram 2500.

When I bought the F150HD, I was only towing about 10K which it could easily do. Keep in mind this was before the F150 started getting lighter with aluminum body panels so it weighed about 6k lbs. I towed 12k one time with it(short distance between two farm properties less than 10 miles away) and I did not like the experience. The trailer was pushing me around like a rag doll. Engine had plenty of power power towing it, but the truck was just not up to the task.

So when the wife wanted to go bigger than 10k with the new RV, I knew I had to get a bigger/heavier truck. It was a shame because I loved that F150HD with the 3.5L Ecoboost. It was very fun to drive especially after I had 5 Star tune it for me.

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