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Posted: 11/15/20 11:47am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

NamMedevac 70 wrote:

Like everything else the rest of the world will receive this service for free or very cheap reduced rates. Just saying.


I am not sure what you are getting at here?

Starlink/SpaceX is a private company, they can and will charge what they want. They very well may end up charging less in the developing world, as that is what the market will bear. Why would they charge less here than the market here will bear?

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Posted: 11/15/20 11:52am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Bill.Satellite wrote:

If only rural customers in the US sign up, the company will go broke without MAJOR government subsidies. Maybe, in the future, when every remote area of the World is covered by his service he will be able to use that money (you know, they have LOTS of money in the remote reaches of the Outback and the desert) to subsidize the lack of US customers.
One of the biggest questions is why would anyone with good cable/fiber for nearly nothing want to sign up for this service? They answer is no one. So that only leaves the under served as potential customers and that's a much smaller base than the current internet providers have to draw from.
Don't get me wrong, I am hopeful it will be successful, will be mobile usable and will be reasonably priced. But, for now, my AT&T Mobley @ $23/month (truly unlimited) has served me very well throughout the US.


There are ~ 30 million people in the US without access to reliable broadband, and about two times that number that have very limited broadband options (like 1 - 10Mb DSL). However that is not the masin market - there are 3.8 Billion people in the world without access to broadband. If Starlink, or one of its competitors can reach a small fraction of that market, they will do very well, and it will have a hugely positive impact on developing countries.

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I'm on my Mobley now and every day.... the best deal we ever got Bill.

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Bill.Satellite wrote:

The most recent info from the beta testers for the Starlink service.
Hardware costs to be a beta tester $499.
Monthly service $99/month.
No information thus far on end user experience or expectations for the service. Lots of speculation and hopes but few actual experiences. It's also still unknown how many users are using the few satellites currently in orbit (yes, I call less than 100 few) and how additional users or satellites will effect the experience and the cost.
I have great hopes for Starlink. I just don't have any hopes that this will be anything usable by us common folks in the next few years.
Point of interest, however, is that if the service was $99/month and you still had to pay for a streaming service to watch TV you would still be better off with DISH or DirecTV plus a stand alone internet service.


You've missed a few reports or arent reading the right sites. Reports I've seen are that even when covered with icicles and snow and in blizzard conditions, Better Than Nothing Beta (Starlink's words, not mine!)works without a hiccup. Rave reviews all around. The only downside so far is that the beta units are intentionally geofenced, meaning that they are only allowed to work in the beta/home area.

Traditional Satellite is dying. Maybe not in 2020, but very very soon. At 60 new laser sats per Falcon9 launch, you'll have a front row seat in 2021 to watch the expansion of Starlink. And my God, i dont even know how many Starlink sats Elon will be able to stuff into a Starship when he gets those things flying! (you might want to recount those currently orbital sats, eh).

btw, if you havent been following Starlinks plans, those laser comms between sats all but eliminates the need for all those ground stations someone may have said were necessary. Pricing? lol. You do know this is a BETA, right? Look up Economic Scaling. It amazes me that the beta is this cheap! FWC understands. Capitalism Rules. Elon will prob price it far enough under to dominate the market, yet make lots of profit.

The future is coming but you can still hang on to your landline and tube tv if you want.

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Posted: 11/16/20 04:32am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

way2roll wrote:

thomasmnile wrote:

obgraham wrote:

thomasmnile wrote:



And like anything satellite, cloud cover and precipitation will affect reception. But in areas without access alternatives, it's better than nothing, albeit expensive.
The only folks who believe this are the cable company ad-writers.
I've had Dish for 22 years now. Never once had an outage for weather, clouds, snow, or rain. There used to be a 20 minute outage twice a year for solar interference, but that has gone away now.


Was a Dish subscriber until we sold our house in 2016. Every Spring solar flare, every moderate to heavy summer thunderstorm, every tropical system with heavy squalls, we lost the signal. Even had a tech from Dish come out and check antenna orientation and signal strength. No issues until it rained.


That was our experience with DirectTv. Storms, snow etc we would lose signal. Was especially frustrating when you need to watch the weather for bad storms and the irony was that the storm made you lose the signal.


I am a DirecTV customer since 1995 and I personally like losing the signal when a thunderstorm is approaching. If I lose signal I look out to see why. Much faster than watching a news report later telling me I got hit.


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Posted: 11/16/20 06:29am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

CFerguson wrote:

Bill.Satellite wrote:

The most recent info from the beta testers for the Starlink service.
Hardware costs to be a beta tester $499.
Monthly service $99/month.
No information thus far on end user experience or expectations for the service. Lots of speculation and hopes but few actual experiences. It's also still unknown how many users are using the few satellites currently in orbit (yes, I call less than 100 few) and how additional users or satellites will effect the experience and the cost.
I have great hopes for Starlink. I just don't have any hopes that this will be anything usable by us common folks in the next few years.
Point of interest, however, is that if the service was $99/month and you still had to pay for a streaming service to watch TV you would still be better off with DISH or DirecTV plus a stand alone internet service.


You've missed a few reports or arent reading the right sites. Reports I've seen are that even when covered with icicles and snow and in blizzard conditions, Better Than Nothing Beta (Starlink's words, not mine!)works without a hiccup. Rave reviews all around. The only downside so far is that the beta units are intentionally geofenced, meaning that they are only allowed to work in the beta/home area.

Traditional Satellite is dying. Maybe not in 2020, but very very soon. At 60 new laser sats per Falcon9 launch, you'll have a front row seat in 2021 to watch the expansion of Starlink. And my God, i dont even know how many Starlink sats Elon will be able to stuff into a Starship when he gets those things flying! (you might want to recount those currently orbital sats, eh).

btw, if you havent been following Starlinks plans, those laser comms between sats all but eliminates the need for all those ground stations someone may have said were necessary. Pricing? lol. You do know this is a BETA, right? Look up Economic Scaling. It amazes me that the beta is this cheap! FWC understands. Capitalism Rules. Elon will prob price it far enough under to dominate the market, yet make lots of profit.

The future is coming but you can still hang on to your landline and tube tv if you want.

Not sure why your posts can't be more informative and less sarcastic and personal. I haven't had a landline or a tube TV for something like 20 years and, if you care to actually read my post, I said that I have great hopes for Starlink. I also never said anything about the weather. That post came from another poster. I no facts don't mean much to you during your attacks, but those are the facts.


What I post is my 2 cents and nothing more. Please don't read anything into my post that's not there. If you disagree, that's OK.
Can't we all just get along?

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Posted: 11/16/20 06:34am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gulfcoast wrote:

I'm on my Mobley now and every day.... the best deal we ever got Bill.


I moved the Mobley SIM to a Netgear router years ago and use it everyday as my main source of internet. Took a picture of the data usage the other day when it showed 750+ MB used and the month was not yet over.
Love that a few of us were able to snag the deal during it's short lived availability.

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Posted: 11/16/20 07:53am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gulfcoast wrote:

I'm on my Mobley now and every day.... the best deal we ever got Bill.


I also have the original mobley and plan and use it as home internet backup and for traveling. My reception at campgrounds has been at least 200 feet from the truck. The price is right and all is good. Peace

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CFerguson wrote:

Bill.Satellite wrote:

The most recent info from the beta testers for the Starlink service.
Hardware costs to be a beta tester $499.
Monthly service $99/month.
No information thus far on end user experience or expectations for the service. Lots of speculation and hopes but few actual experiences. It's also still unknown how many users are using the few satellites currently in orbit (yes, I call less than 100 few) and how additional users or satellites will effect the experience and the cost.
I have great hopes for Starlink. I just don't have any hopes that this will be anything usable by us common folks in the next few years.
Point of interest, however, is that if the service was $99/month and you still had to pay for a streaming service to watch TV you would still be better off with DISH or DirecTV plus a stand alone internet service.


You've missed a few reports or arent reading the right sites. Reports I've seen are that even when covered with icicles and snow and in blizzard conditions, Better Than Nothing Beta (Starlink's words, not mine!)works without a hiccup. Rave reviews all around. The only downside so far is that the beta units are intentionally geofenced, meaning that they are only allowed to work in the beta/home area.

Traditional Satellite is dying. Maybe not in 2020, but very very soon. At 60 new laser sats per Falcon9 launch, you'll have a front row seat in 2021 to watch the expansion of Starlink. And my God, i dont even know how many Starlink sats Elon will be able to stuff into a Starship when he gets those things flying! (you might want to recount those currently orbital sats, eh).

btw, if you havent been following Starlinks plans, those laser comms between sats all but eliminates the need for all those ground stations someone may have said were necessary. Pricing? lol. You do know this is a BETA, right? Look up Economic Scaling. It amazes me that the beta is this cheap! FWC understands. Capitalism Rules. Elon will prob price it far enough under to dominate the market, yet make lots of profit.

The future is coming but you can still hang on to your landline and tube tv if you want.


Your "future" is getting much more expensive if you really think Elon's Internet is going to reduce costs of Internet, phone or even streaming viseo services..

THIS NEWS FLASH is a telling story of the latest streaming service HULU of INCREASING their LIVE TV streaming service to $65 per month..

"Hulu with Live TV increasing its price to $65 a month

It’s now the same as YouTube TV
By Julia Alexander Nov 16, 2020, 3:25pm EST

Hulu with Live TV is the latest virtual TV bundle to get a price hike — this time to $64.99 a month.

Hulu with Live TV currently costs $54.99 a month, marking a $10 monthly increase for current customers, according to The Hollywood Reporter. It’s also on par with YouTube TV, a competing virtual live TV bundle. The price change will go into effect on December 18th and affect both new and current customers. Hulu last increased the monthly cost of its virtual TV provider last year when the company told subscribers they would go from paying $44.99 to $54.99 on December 18th, 2019.

While these types of packages were originally meant to help cord-cutters who still wanted access to some live programming (like news and sports) but didn’t want to pay big cable fees, prices have been increasing across the board. As content gets more expensive for companies to license, and as they try to find more channels to offer consumers, the monthly costs also increase. Oh, the irony.

Still, Hulu with Live TV is growing. The service has more than 4 million customers, which is approximately 1 million more than YouTube TV. The bundle has seen a 40 percent increase in subscribers over the last year. Recently, Disney CEO Bob Chapek spoke to how important Disney’s entire streaming ecosystem (that includes Disney Plus, ESPN Plus, and Hulu’s regular streaming service) are to the company’s future.

While YouTube TV and Hulu with Live TV represent some of the more costly options (up there with AT&T’s AT&T TV Now), they also come with some of the highest channel offerings. Competitors like Sling TV have monthly plans for $30, but the content offering isn’t as strong."


Eventually, EVERY streaming service WILL increase over time and the "limited free" versions will slowly go away or get on the "pay to watch bandwagon"..

So far, Starlink speed and latency is dismal compared to my current cable Internet provider and my price is the same as Starlink Beta and I didn't have to buy the $500 receiving station.

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Gdetrailer wrote:

So far, Starlink speed and latency is dismal compared to my current cable Internet provider and my price is the same as Starlink Beta and I didn't have to buy the $500 receiving station.
Sure and there is limited range of cable. Sometimes I am lucky to get 3g data. Probably can turn in your satellite phone too.

I bet that $500 equipment cost will drop and soon will get absorbed into the first year lease of services.

I also understand there are some other providers that will be in competition with Starlink. This may provide a price cap compared to the cable services.


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