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Longshore

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JimK-NY wrote:

It seems that you are a first time TC buyer so I can warn you that weights get out of hand quickly. For example if you start with a Lance 850, Lance estimates the wet weight as 2835#. First that is the base unit and does not include options such as awnings. Almost all units are going to come with options that bump up the weight by several hundred pounds. Even tiedown brackets and a bed mat add a lot of weight. Next you need to consider the weight of heavy accessories. Unless you are going to have hook ups at almost all times, you will want to look at a generator, a second battery, and possibly solar panels. Maybe you want to consider a better foam mattress... they are also heavy. In any case the 2835# camper can easily grow to 3500#. Then there are all the other necessities: food, cooking and eating gear, a few tools, extra boots and clothing, bedding, laptop/camera gear, etc, etc. You may think I am exaggerating but count on 1000# for these items. My 2400# base weight camper jumped to 4400# and I have looked carefully and don't find much I can do to trim back on the weight. Sadly a short bed pickup greatly aggravates the weight issue.


Yes sir, good points all. I was adding 1,000lbs to the wet weight of any unit I shopped for and you are right...if you're not careful the weight gets away from you. There are, apparently from my research, many truck camper rigs that are overweight. I do not want to be one of them. I will weigh things like kitchen ware as I load them. I have a telescope that weighs 40lbs. After all is done, if I need to upgrade the tires I will do it.

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Longshore wrote:

Well I think I'm going to get one of the Wolf Creek 850s I looked at today.

My GVWR is 11,500. My tare was 7,940. GAWR rear is 7,050 front is 5,600. They have one with an oven, kind of a must when the DW is along, and it comes in at 2,300 lbs dry. Interior height is 6'6'. They want 33,000 so I know they will take less. You guys think I should start at 28,000 and see their reaction? This will be a straight purchase.


I'd start lower - you can always go UP, you can never go DOWN [emoticon] Maybe $25K ... that's 25% off. Even if they meet you halfway at $28K offer, you'll be over $30K, but w/offer at $25K, halfway is $28.5K, and if start at $28K, then halfway is $30.5 ... just a thought [emoticon]


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Longshore wrote:

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There are, apparently from my research, many truck camper rigs that are overweight. I do not want to be one of them. I will weigh things like kitchen ware as I load them. I have a telescope that weighs 40lbs. After all is done, if I need to upgrade the tires I will do it.


You should be OK with the Wolf Creek. It will be a decent sized rig which your truck should carry even if it totals a bit over the GVWR. Timbrens, Supersprings or something similar are low cost and ease to install options which can give the truck suspension a bit extra if needed.

BTW, if you can find one I recommend looking at the Northstar Laredo or Adventurer. They are similar to the WC but better engineered and better built.

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$27,000 out the door, before sales tax. Did you look at Northstar TC’s? Nice camper.

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Longshore wrote:

Well I think I'm going to get one of the Wolf Creek 850s I looked at today.

My GVWR is 11,500. My tare was 7,940. GAWR rear is 7,050 front is 5,600. They have one with an oven, kind of a must when the DW is along, and it comes in at 2,300 lbs dry. Interior height is 6'6'. They want 33,000 so I know they will take less. You guys think I should start at 28,000 and see their reaction? This will be a straight purchase.


Nice choice! I have nothing but good things to say about my 2014 WC850 after 8 seasons of use (delivered Aug 2013). I've weighed mine a couple times and come in at 3,200lbs loaded and ready to camp. Love our oven too!


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Okay I got cold feet and didn't want to be the guy that bought the first one I see. I did check out the Northstar Laredo I was going to plan a trip to look at one till it sold yesterday. I did not, although I should have, expect the slim pickins.

Again, yesterday, I was steered away from Lance. Three dealers now, one of them a Lance dealer, admitted to me that the quality is down from what they were before. I looked at a 2016 model and you could see the seems in front and all the potential leak points. It was an 855s and under the slide area there is a big void that did not seal. You could open the seat on the dinette and feel the draft.

Anyway the hunt continues. I still might end up over at the WC dealer.

Thanks...Mike.

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Quality of engineering and construction are the reasons two of us have recommended that you look at Northstar. There are several other brands for well made campers but many of them are very heavy and have multiple slides. I would not buy a Lance. You want a unit that will handle all the jolts and swaying that occur with years of use.

I also really like the Northstar cassette toilets. That fits the way I travel in remote areas where dump stations are rare or nonexistent. Also check the propane for the WC. I believe it only has one tank. That could be very inconvenient. My Northstar mattress is a standard Queen. I appreciate the full length and upgrading to a residential foam mattress was easy and inexpensive.

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Yes JimK the WC 850s I looked at all had the two propane tanks. I do plan on doing some remote camping. If WC had the option for the cassette toilet that would be a huge plus.

As of today the only Northstars I can find are pop ups. There are a few of them in Medford.

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There are three Northstar dealers in NCal and others in Yakima and Boise. I would check and see if you can put one on hold. You can also order but I would at least want to look at one first.

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