Gdetrailer
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Dutch_12078 wrote:The FCC or Congress could stop these retransmission disputes from using the viewers as hostages by allowing the service providers to use out of market stations during blackouts.
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You do realize that FCC AND Congress ALLOWED this to happen by changing the rules/laws to allow OTA TV stations to DEMAND "payment" to those stations in order for Cable AND Satellite providers to be able to rebroadcast those Stations?
Station owners felt they were being "cheated" out of revenue as Cable and Sat markets grew and lobbied to get a ruling in favor of the TV station owners..
Additionally, you do realize that in most areas of the US you CAN also BYPASS the dish or cable and view the OTA channels DIRECTLY without the middle man?
Just takes a OTA antenna and flipping your TV to OTA channels.. Not impossible and you WILL get a much better pix in full HD (you only get SD OTA channel quality on Dish)..
Not to mention using OTA you get the additional SUBCHANNELS of each OTA broadcast channel.. Dish does not provide those channels and I suspect neither does Direct or most cable systems..
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Gdetrailer wrote:Dutch_12078 wrote:The FCC or Congress could stop these retransmission disputes from using the viewers as hostages by allowing the service providers to use out of market stations during blackouts.
You do realize that FCC AND Congress ALLOWED this to happen by changing the rules/laws to allow OTA TV stations to DEMAND "payment" to those stations in order for Cable AND Satellite providers to be able to rebroadcast those Stations?
Station owners felt they were being "cheated" out of revenue as Cable and Sat markets grew and lobbied to get a ruling in favor of the TV station owners..
Additionally, you do realize that in most areas of the US you CAN also BYPASS the dish or cable and view the OTA channels DIRECTLY without the middle man?
Just takes a OTA antenna and flipping your TV to OTA channels.. Not impossible and you WILL get a much better pix in full HD (you only get SD OTA channel quality on Dish)..
Not to mention using OTA you get the additional SUBCHANNELS of each OTA broadcast channel.. Dish does not provide those channels and I suspect neither does Direct or most cable systems..
Except for the millions of us that are too far from any broadcasting towers to receive OTA. Chuck
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Gdetrailer
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chuckbear wrote:
Except for the millions of us that are too far from any broadcasting towers to receive OTA. Chuck
For yrs, I had a brother that lived in extreme rural VT..
Only got two stations and one was from NY and he had antenna on 40ft of mast to get that..
His family survived without "TV" and did OTHER things with their life than sit and watch all of that junk the "networks" foist on people as "entertainment".
I personally have zero use for the "big three" networks, their news is garbage and their programming is garbage.
Heck I only watch one local channel just for the "weather" then turn it off but yet I CAN get the SAME weather reports via Internet without the use of a TV.. Most of the big three networks now days do stream their news.. and I have no use for watching sports or "made for TV" reality shows.
And by the way, IF you use a better antenna than a RV antenna, you will find a lot more stations even in the middle of "no where". My sticks and bricks is 60 miles from the nearest OTA broadcast tower and with a 8ft long antenna mounted 10 ft above the ground with a 20 DB gain preamp I can get well over 30 different OTA channels plus the sub channels.
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This BS no longer bothers me. I cut the cable a year ago and went ota.
No regrets.
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What gets me is that DISH, Direct and my local cable extend the coverage for the TLN's (three Letter Networks) so why are the networks not paying the delivery services instead of the other way around????
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“I personally have zero use for the "big three" networks, their news is garbage and their programming is garbage.”
How can you say this, GDE? For instance Ted Danson’s new network show is “Mr. Mayor,” a comedy on how fun it is to be a big city mayor...with a small child daughter. I just can’t wait!
Foist? lol
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Well said Gdetrailer and I agree with you about all the junk programing that I boycott as much as possible. I am also a proud cord cutter.
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Bird Freak wrote:This BS no longer bothers me. I cut the cable a year ago and went ota.
No regrets.
That's great for you, and a great dream for the rest of us. As an RVer, I OFTEN find my OTA options limited or non-existent. It depends upon where you are parked. I am 65 and watch TV continuously when home in the RV (yes, the RV is home). I want to watch what I want to watch and not what happens to be available. I do this by having lots of programming recorded in case satellite is not available and paying for satellite so I can watch anything, anywhere the other 99.9% of the time. No matter where I am I still like to try to find local OTA news as it can be quite entertaining and it will give me the best weather forecast. I do have DNS service with DirecTV so I always have full Network programming no matter where we stop which not all RVers have available depending upon the service they are using.
What I post is my 2 cents and nothing more. Please don't read anything into my post that's not there. If you disagree, that's OK.
Can't we all just get along?
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DTV provides all my needs, including LA locals which work everywhere. I really like Forensic Files and Law and Order. Today was one of those beautiful days when I shot the 101 in under one minute. Sometime I can't aim it in a hour!
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Dutch_12078
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Gdetrailer wrote:Dutch_12078 wrote:The FCC or Congress could stop these retransmission disputes from using the viewers as hostages by allowing the service providers to use out of market stations during blackouts.
You do realize that FCC AND Congress ALLOWED this to happen by changing the rules/laws to allow OTA TV stations to DEMAND "payment" to those stations in order for Cable AND Satellite providers to be able to rebroadcast those Stations?
Station owners felt they were being "cheated" out of revenue as Cable and Sat markets grew and lobbied to get a ruling in favor of the TV station owners..
Additionally, you do realize that in most areas of the US you CAN also BYPASS the dish or cable and view the OTA channels DIRECTLY without the middle man?
Just takes a OTA antenna and flipping your TV to OTA channels.. Not impossible and you WILL get a much better pix in full HD (you only get SD OTA channel quality on Dish)..
Not to mention using OTA you get the additional SUBCHANNELS of each OTA broadcast channel.. Dish does not provide those channels and I suspect neither does Direct or most cable systems..
Of course I realize who caused the problem. That's why I said they would have to be the ones to fix it.
If OTA channels were reliably available everywhere there would be no need for the satellite or cable services to carry them. Since that's not the case, we have to live with these periodic outages that will only get worse as the channel owners get greedier. I do have alternate sources available for the networks and most local news is carried online in one or more formats. So for me, the outages are an annoyance, but not a loss.
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