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2oldman

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Posted: 11/28/20 01:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Itinerant1 wrote:

I can throw at it to 98-99% SOC where your lead slows way down much earlier in its SOC trying to absorb the charge. Isn't that faster?.
Yes it is. It's near impossible, or at least I found it so, to charge acid to 100% while boondocking. Seems like that takes 24 hours of steady shore charging.

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Posted: 11/28/20 01:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

That's not even figuring in watching tv or using microwave and other things during that period of time while it's charging.


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Hi,

The point everyone is missing is that lead acid need to be charged to 100% as often as is humanly possible (without generator use).

Li has no such constraints--so a couple of days of bad weather don't matter. Of course the battery management system might leave you "hi and dry" (which is a good thing given the price) as Li hates being taken to zero volts.

The same is true of SiO2--and as I'm very much part time again--I'll go for a 600 amp-hour bank and probably never need a generator again. The two advantages of SiO2 over Li are cold and zero volts without much damage.

BFL13 is a master of recovering flooded Lead Acid batteries--but he did not have much luck with AGM.


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I would recommend Hightec solar panels. You can get them from Continuous Resources.

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Posted: 11/28/20 02:15pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"Faster" means restoring the same AH in less time. Since H is shorter, A must be higher to get the same AH.

The scenario has to be where A is higher than it would be charging ordinary batteries over that shorter time period. Plus as mentioned, you have to specify the SOC range.

It can be no faster doing a 50-80, but faster doing a 50-90 due to the 80-90 being still at max amps in one but tapering amps in the other.

Amps can't be higher if the charger is current limited at its max amps over the SOC range in the scenario for the ordinary batteries just by switching to the Li. You can add amps if you have more chargers, where the ordinary batts won't accept more but the Li will.


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pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

The point everyone is missing is that lead acid need to be charged to 100% as often as is humanly possible (without generator use).

Li has no such constraints--so a couple of days of bad weather don't matter. Of course the battery management system might leave you "hi and dry" (which is a good thing given the price) as Li hates being taken to zero volts.

The same is true of SiO2--and as I'm very much part time again--I'll go for a 600 amp-hour bank and probably never need a generator again. The two advantages of SiO2 over Li are cold and zero volts without much damage.

BFL13 is a master of recovering flooded Lead Acid batteries--but he did not have much luck with AGM.


Here is an example of this month from solar, just the beginning of my psoc use for winter. Dec, Jan & Feb the periods of psoc can extend out to 21+ days before a string of poor solar days force a 2 hour generator run give the batteries a couple hundred ah boost. 40 days was my longest of psoc use. This will be the 5th winter of this kind of use.

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Choosing what type of solar is very complex. So many types of panels! Microinverters? Solar optimizers? Great article for reading https://websolarguide.com/am-solar-lights-for-gate-entrance/

* This post was edited 12/13/20 03:34am by samimiles *

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samimiles wrote:

Choosing what type of solar is very complex. So many types of panels! Microinverters? Solar optimizers?


No, actually buying "solar" is not all that "complex".

There are folks who wish to squeeze out every little microwatt out of what they bought making this a very confusing and over the top complex thing.

Think of Solar is just a way of adding a extra "charger" to your batteries which only works when there is enough sun and the panels generate enough voltage to overcome the battery voltage.

So, to get your feet wet in solar, you need a panel that is capable of 16V-17V in full sun and a charge controller.

Charge controller prevents the panel from overcharging the batteries and prevents the battery from being discharged by the panels during cloudy days and at night.

Charge controller comes in two "flavors", the old school method is called PWM (Pulse Width Modulated), is the lowest cost controller and can work well for most folks.

The new kid on the block is MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking) which requires min panel voltage to be twice of the output (30V for 12V battery) and it can squeeze a bit more efficiency out of the panels by allowing a bit longer charging when the sun is not as strong.

Solar panels and PWM controllers are pretty inexpensive now days and if you are wanting to try, pick out a 100W panel and a PWM controller (go with 30A controller so you can add a few more panels later).

Amazon has lots of choices in 100W panels and some are as low as $80 and PWM controllers around $20 so for $100 you can get your feet wet with solar and get about 6A of charging capacity which can extend time between running a gen..

Add a second 100W panel and you can get about 12A of charging..

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You can use MPPT with 12-12. It has a buck converter in it, so all it needs is for the input to be at least one or two volts above output.

Possibly people get confused over those PWM controllers that are "12/24". They don't realize that the 24 is for 24-24 and you can't do 24-12 with them.

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Hi BFL13,

PWM operate at the battery voltage--so they can work with a 24 volt panel--just that it is highly inefficient to do so as lots of energy is being wasted.

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