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Grit dog

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Posted: 12/02/20 09:13am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JIMNLIN wrote:

Its all about advertising. A big hp/torque/tow rating draws certain types of owners. Could be a die hard brand thing of some who has to have the biggest in his brand. Or others who have to have any brand that has the biggest specs.

Seems like the comment "but will it stop it" is part of rv cul;ture.
Towing at these weights (30k lbs+) is for commercial purposes. These type trailers can have dual tandem or dual tri axles with 14k-16k lb axle ratings.
In this type of work, just like same trucks pulling a rv, the trucks brakes stops the truck and the trailers brakes stops the trailer. If they don't work that way then get them fixed (any size combo).

LDT size trucks brakes were never designed/engineered to stop the trailer (tow ratings).


Couldn’t have said it better myself. And the same “Will it stop the trailer” comments are usually from the same folks who question towing more than a radio flyer wagon with a half ton and talk about how the bigger “ratings” are safer and how so much better it is to be at a smaller % of your ratings.
The big 3 are doing exactly this, placating the keyboard engineers....and at the same time pushing marketing numbers AND keeping all the folks who really use their trucks and been hauling 25-30k loads of hay for years with a big block Ford Highboy interested in Their new truck.

What’s comical, is generally those that question things like ratings the most and profess their “worldly” knowledge about towing, are the same people who get a chubby because they actually have a camper with a trailer hitch and can do manly “truck things” once in a while.


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Posted: 12/02/20 10:13am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It's engine has six in a row built to tow so don't panic about not having an 19 speed transmission.

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Michelle.S wrote:

OK, at 37,100 Lbs towing that would equals 7,420 pin weight at 20%, don't think any have increased their payload to handle that. Those BIG towing numbers generally only relate to Gooseneck trailer that have way less pin weights than fifth wheels.

While true the towing capacity is well beyond practical pin weights for a standard 5th wheel. Towing a 13,000# to 17,000# 5er when your TV can pull 25,024# (the rating for our 2016 Ram) sure takes the stress out of towing!


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Actually Shiner having the highest tow rating is of no value to me, nor is highest torque rating. I just put my order in this morning for a new second place Ford. As it turned out I never set foot in a dealership but just picked the one that offered the best price. If I need faster 0-60 times I’ll take the Civic.


It is hard to believe this given the "It might be a bit of a stretch to expect it to compete with the Powerstroke" comment. I have noticed that you tend to say you aren't a fan boy or do not care about such things yet turn right around and say things like this or tout highest power and towing numbers of your favorite brand that you so happen to name yourself after. I named myself Shiner bock because it is my favorite beer and I will admit that I am biased to the taste of it over other beers.

So you can say this, but your other statements made in other threads and even in this one have lead me to believe otherwise.



My comment regarding the 6 speed Ram keeping up with the 10 speed competition was mainly pointing out that with 1075 lbft of torque and 400 peak hp at 2800 rpm the Cummins has such a sharp torque rise that it has no need for ten gears. There is quite a difference between the torque curve of the Ram vs the Duramax. Much of the rpm range of the Duramax it will be producing less torque than the Cummins but at higher rpm the Duramax will make more. Compared to the Ford, the Cummins is able to make a little more torque than the Powerstroke bellow 1750 rpm. (At 1750 the two engines are likely equal) The comment about being a bit of a stretch to expect the Cummins to keep up to the Powerstroke is just recognizing that above 1750 rpm the Powerstroke continues to hold a higher level of torque and by 2800 rpm it is making about 140 lbft more than the Cummins produces at that rpm. Because the Ram only has 6 gears it will likely use a greater portion of the engine’s power curve than what the Ford is programmed to use ..... so even though the Ford produces a lot more torque at 2500 - 3000 rpm than does the Cummins it likely seldom runs there anyway.


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4x4ord wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Actually Shiner having the highest tow rating is of no value to me, nor is highest torque rating. I just put my order in this morning for a new second place Ford. As it turned out I never set foot in a dealership but just picked the one that offered the best price. If I need faster 0-60 times I’ll take the Civic.


It is hard to believe this given the "It might be a bit of a stretch to expect it to compete with the Powerstroke" comment. I have noticed that you tend to say you aren't a fan boy or do not care about such things yet turn right around and say things like this or tout highest power and towing numbers of your favorite brand that you so happen to name yourself after. I named myself Shiner bock because it is my favorite beer and I will admit that I am biased to the taste of it over other beers.

So you can say this, but your other statements made in other threads and even in this one have lead me to believe otherwise.



My comment regarding the 6 speed Ram keeping up with the 10 speed competition was mainly pointing out that with 1075 lbft of torque and 400 peak hp at 2800 rpm the Cummins has such a sharp torque rise that it has no need for ten gears. There is quite a difference between the torque curve of the Ram vs the Duramax. Much of the rpm range of the Duramax it will be producing less torque than the Cummins but at higher rpm the Duramax will make more. Compared to the Ford, the Cummins is able to make a little more torque than the Powerstroke bellow 1750 rpm. (At 1750 the two engines are likely equal) The comment about being a bit of a stretch to expect the Cummins to keep up to the Powerstroke is just recognizing that above 1750 rpm the Powerstroke continues to hold a higher level of torque and by 2800 rpm it is making about 140 lbft more than the Cummins produces at that rpm. Because the Ram only has 6 gears it will likely use a greater portion of the engine’s power curve than what the Ford is programmed to use ..... so even though the Ford produces a lot more torque at 2500 - 3000 rpm than does the Cummins it likely seldom runs there anyway.


That depends on a lot of variables one being on whether or not Powerstroke or Cummins can sustain their power ratings while towing in certain weather conditions. Short burst, I have no doubts that the PSD is quicker. However, under sustained conditions, especially in hotter weather, I would bet that the difference on power between the two is not that much different. In fact, multiple dyno runs on stock trucks by tuners where the engine is worked hard for periods of time have proven this.

* This post was edited 12/02/20 12:49pm by ShinerBock *

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I should get some sort of idea as to what it takes to overtax the 2021 Powerstroke’s cooling and egt this spring. It would be kind of nice to have some kind of gauge that would tell me when the truck is in derate. What would you recommend?

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4x4ord wrote:

I should get some sort of idea as to what it takes to overtax the 2021 Powerstroke’s cooling and egt this spring. It would be kind of nice to have some kind of gauge that would tell me when the truck is in derate. What would you recommend?


Edge Insight CTS2 or CTS3. Set the PID's to monitor post turbo exhaust temps(since it doesn't have a pre-turbo pryo), commanded fuel pressure, and actual fuel pressure. If your commanded starts to go decrease at full load, then you know it is defueling. Other PID's that will make it defuel or cause high EGT's and are worth monitoring are barometric pressure, turbo speed, charge air cooler temp, and manifold pressure.

The Insight will also tell you when you are in regen along with the different temps and pressures at different stages of the emissions system. It might even tell you when the EGR valve is open and how much along with turbo vane position, but I am not 100% sure that it shows this on the Ford's like it does on the Ram's.

I hooked my CTS2 up to my father-in-laws 2019 F350 and saw it defuel as temps got hot towing cattle. There is a way to see horsepower, but it is not 100% accurate, however, it is good to use as a tool to see if there is any change in max power output with different mods or at different temps/altitudes.

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ShinerBock wrote:

I have noticed that you tend to say you aren't a fan boy or do not care about such things yet turn right around and say things like this or tout highest power and towing numbers of your favorite brand that you so happen to name yourself after.

Exactly. His chosen screen name is Ford. Specs don't matter to a brand loyal buyer, so why do the manufacturers spend so much time and money touting these ridiculous specs. If the new Ram could jump 50hp and 200 lb/ft torque and tow 7500 lbs more, that would be worth bragging about and showing off. To jump up *just* enough to be "king of the hill" for one model year is catering to fools, in my opinion.

I have ZERO brand loyalty. I've own a Ford truck, an Isuzu SUV, a Toyota truck and now a Ram truck. All that matters to me is a truck that meets/exceeds my needs at the best price possible. They have all been wonderful vehicles and served their purposes for exactly what I needed when I needed it. I'm not loyal to a company that has no loyalty to me.


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I have to admit that at the same money I would buy a Ford for the power train but I prefer the Ram interior and I really like the exterior look of the GM Denali. As well I’ve always believed that my GMs have rode nicer and handled better than my Fords. My last GM was a POS and it does make it hard to get over that. I’ve had two Rams in the past but nothing with the 6.7 so my opinion of a Ram is outdated. I would not pay more for any of the three brands over the other two when all three manufacturers are presenting excellent trucks..... especially when I only keep my truck for 3 or 4 years.

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ShinerBock wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

I just saw an article online about this. Ridiculous... going 100 lbs over the F450 to claim some imaginary award? They all tow exceptionally well. Rather than petty little max towing awards, how about making them (not just Ram, but Ford and GM) more reliable, more fuel efficient, more competitively priced etc.


I agree. A lot of R&D costs goes into making this thing tow weights that maybe a fraction of their customers would even tow. It is pointless and that money could have either been spent elsewhere or made the cost of each vehicle lower as you stated. The cost of this kind of R&D is spread amongst all models so you are paying for it even if you don't get the configuration with this pointless tow rating.

However, as one Ford fanboy already pointed out, it is all about "competing" against someone else's favorite brand. To these people, only things like 0-60 times, short burst horsepower figures, and highest tow ratings possible (even though they don't tow that much) matter because in their eyes this is how a truck competes. It is these kind of people the keep this pointless game going. In my eyes things like reliability, efficiency, and sustained power are way more of a competing factor than Ike times. This is where the R&D money should go. I can make it more power afterwards if needed and would prefer to do it myself.


Yeah OK... Everyone who participates on this particular forum is a fan to some extent including the ones who claim there not which we know they are the real straight shooters. [emoticon]

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