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ppine

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Posted: 12/06/20 03:48pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you spend the money and buy a diesel you don't have to this conversation.

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Kayteg1 wrote:


I am old enough to remember the times where you could send engine block for honing, get new, bigger pistons and rings, then send the heads for valve repolishing.
But the engine repair shop I remember from over 10 years ago was converted to ... Pet Hotel.
The trade seems to vanish.


Yes, I remember when a car/pickup got close to 100,000 miles we would look at all the front end parts, and rust on the body. If good, pull and rebuild engine. Or if thought rest of car was good for another 50,000 shop for used motor with less than 50 on it. But now, with the engine life over 200,000 much fewer rebuilds.
Also, back then it was much cheaper to rebuild/replace the transmission. AC died? Open the window.
In late 2004 when I faced this issue with '85 F150 that had been in the family from new, I called BIL that owned a transmission shop with good rep. Rebuilds on that are running about same as the long block.

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Posted: 12/06/20 05:25pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

we did it on a work vehicle. had 300k on the motor. choice was 3500 for a new engine or buy a another vehicle. we chose the new motor which now has 130,000 miles on it. That allowed us to buy another new work vehicle a few months down the line.


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Posted: 12/06/20 06:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Another used f150 same price as a new/rebuilt trans, but the used truck will also have a used trans that is a lot closer to going bad than a new or rebuilt trans. Might be safer to get a new trans in your old truck as you know what issues your truck has not related to the trans. If you will be using TC then a strong trans will be more important than just for a DD.

If it is motor issues then you still have to think about the trans in your current truck (if trans is good and just motor is bad) which will go bad eventually.
If you tow or Tc or RV then blowing up transmissions is just a risk of the game, so plan for it.

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I’ve thought about this a bit. I have a 2006 Ford “Exploder”. That’s just a nickname from other people. We’ve had good luck with it. It’s not my only vehicle, but we’ve put almost 100K on it and bought it with 100K on it. It’s mostly highway miles. I had time to search and bought it for 11,500 several years ago. Yes, I could have bought a new one. By now, I would have lost around 30K on that purchase if I had bought new.

If you are hard on vehicles, I think you should avoid long term ownership. We aren’t. We did have one annoying problem lately. It kept blowing horn fuses. It was about $25 for the parts and a few hours for me to take fender well apart.. I bought brakes online and had a local shop do front and rear at the same time. That was $400. We’ve had to replace the bolts/exhaust manifolds that was about 1000, but that happens on pretty new vehicles.

The body is still in great shape. The drive train is in great shape. It doesn’t use oil. My old mechanic said he had several of the same engines in Limos that went to over 500K miles.

My point is it depends. It is work to find a “great” deal of a one/two owner, but possible. It’s also possible to run an older vehicle for years with pennies compared to dollars. Whatever makes you happy since you will be paying for it ... not me. If you like the old vehicle and everything seems to work pretty well I don’t see a problem with replacing the engine once it is worn out. However, very few motors are completely destroyed inside, so maybe some TLC by a good mechanic could save some money.

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Great trip down memory lane....back to your regularly scheduled program. Not you jimh, your post was spot on. Here’s my take
So OP, have over 300k on a truck that is presumably also as well maintained as it is rust free. Runs well except a bit tired.
If that’s the case, nice job on getting your money’s worth out of the truck.
But think about it this way. The thing that leaves you on the side of the road at midnight in the middl of no where as you put it, is not catastrophic engine failure. It’s about 95% likely it’s something else. Either something that also should be wore out by now, something that has had some symptoms but was “still fine”, or something newer or old that randomly stops working. Could be a $25 20 minute fix or a $2500 fix.
Regardless of new engine, all these other things could happen.
So if your reasoning is you’re keeping the truck and not worried about other stuff then a new long block is maybe a sound decision. But mostly only if you’re doing the work yourself.
If you have the work done, it’ll cost more than the truck is worth plus you’ll get nickel and dimed for a bunch of other stuff.
Bottom line, drive the truck until you’re done with the whole truck and don’t fix what ain’t broke. It’s throwing good money after bad.
If you’re considering the cost of outfitting a new truck as well, find another low mile 3rd or early 4th gen gasser that your camper stuff fits on.


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Posted: 12/07/20 03:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

kohldad wrote:

Haven't in years but my father and I use to rebuild the old 69 Dodge 318 a number of times, mostly just the heads and exhaust valves.

Is it burning oil? Fuel mileage decreased recently? If not, odds are it is still going strong and doesn't need rebuilding. If so and it was my truck, I would probably tear the engine down for a top to bottom rebuild either myself or a trusted mechanic that routinely rebuilds engines. You may also want to discuss any upgrades for the engine that can increase performance while not increasing the wear and tear on the engine. While you have the engine out causing the AC to be discharged, I would also replace the heater core along with updating the heating unit doors with metal ones to ensure that isn't the next thing to go wrong.
I have done a lot of motor swaps without discharging the AC.... In fact I have never discharged an AC for that reason... Just tie it up out of the way.


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klyross wrote:

So, anybody rebuilding or replacing engines in their TC hauling trucks as opposed to buying a new or low mileage used truck?


Definitely rebuild...Short blocks and even long blocks are inexpensive compared...As far as the older engines go,check out the net which is full of 300K 460 and 454 engines that were taken care of and not mistreated....

My vote goes to rebuilt engines and transmissions over a newer used truck that could have its own issues...

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When new/rebuilt engine is straightforward decision money wise, there is much more to truck than engine.
New truck will give you nicer interior, GPS with live traffic, radars for blind spots, better fuel economy, bluetooth integration and hundreds other things you might choose.





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klyross wrote:

time2roll - but, I do not want to get stuck in the boonies at 9:00pm - and 320,000 miles is a lot, no?
ANY vehicle can get you stuck at any time. Even a brand new truck.

If it has been reliable, I would trust it another 100,000. Worst case you just leave it and use the money you saved to replace it while on the road.

Easy for me to say. I only have 200,000 on mine but I would still take mine anywhere.


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