Towing with a dually or single?need help please

[loverving45]

Hello,
I have a 39’ fifth wheel 4 slides, , 14000 pound, and am about to buy a pick up to tow it. Everyone tells me to buy regular pickup , not a dually. They say the regular single rear wheel is enough for towing this fifth wheel and no need for dually. I’ve heard that dually is a must have for such big trailers due to the steadiness it provides. My question is for those of you who own similar size of rig, do you suggest me buying a dually or a single rear wheel? Also, which if the companies is the best for this purpose, ram, gmc or Ford? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated and helpful. Thank you

[rhagfo]

dedmiston wrote:

SweetLou wrote:
In the State of California, any pick up truck, even the very small rangers, Nissans, etc. are considered commercial. That's how thy justify soaking you on your registration

I remember as a kid being surprised when my dad parked in a yellow curb (commercial loading).

He said, "The state soaks us for commercial plates, so I'm parking in the commercial spot."

SweetLou, don’t expect Cali to give up that cash cow without a fight!

[rhagfo]

ford truck guy wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

rhagfo wrote:
So Nalley's went to direct to individual stores and a driver salesman. The vehicle of choice was an F350 DRW and a decent sized box 5er trailer. The total package weight maybe 20,000#. Well the driver salesmen were required in Washington to get CDL's

Makes sense, as their driving was COMMERCIAL in nature after all. Kinda hard to spin a "potato chip sales/delivery person" as private transportation.

That is the key - Commercial use ~ VS ~ Recreational use..

Got that, but the truck GVWR was only 10,000#

[Grit_dog]

memtb wrote:
Some of you folks are living in states that are running behind on “soaking” the taxpayer (vehicle license) fees. We have the privilege of paying an “additional” fee of $90.00/year .....heavy vehicle fee for each vehicle (truck, 5th wheel, class c). For us, that adds $270.00 to our already high vehicle license plate fees. :M memtb

I’ll trade your $270 addl tabs for my property tax rate!

Gotta raise money there somehow...mining is getting the shaft (no pun intended) and the speed goats outnumber the tax payers. My kinda place and god willing I get the privilege of having Wyoming license plates again someday!

[ford_truck_guy]

mkirsch wrote:

rhagfo wrote:
So Nalley's went to direct to individual stores and a driver salesman. The vehicle of choice was an F350 DRW and a decent sized box 5er trailer. The total package weight maybe 20,000#. Well the driver salesmen were required in Washington to get CDL's

Makes sense, as their driving was COMMERCIAL in nature after all. Kinda hard to spin a "potato chip sales/delivery person" as private transportation.

That is the key - Commercial use ~ VS ~ Recreational use..

[dedmiston]

SweetLou wrote:
In the State of California, any pick up truck, even the very small rangers, Nissans, etc. are considered commercial. That's how thy justify soaking you on your registration

I remember as a kid being surprised when my dad parked in a yellow curb (commercial loading).

He said, "The state soaks us for commercial plates, so I'm parking in the commercial spot."

[memtb]

Some of you folks are living in states that are running behind on “soaking” the taxpayer (vehicle license) fees. We have the privilege of paying an “additional” fee of $90.00/year .....heavy vehicle fee for each vehicle (truck, 5th wheel, class c). For us, that adds $270.00 to our already high vehicle license plate fees. :M memtb

[mkirsch]

rhagfo wrote:
So Nalley's went to direct to individual stores and a driver salesman. The vehicle of choice was an F350 DRW and a decent sized box 5er trailer. The total package weight maybe 20,000#. Well the driver salesmen were required in Washington to get CDL's

Makes sense, as their driving was COMMERCIAL in nature after all. Kinda hard to spin a "potato chip sales/delivery person" as private transportation.

[rhagfo]

rhagfo wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:



Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.

Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.

Well the GM and Ford 250/2500 over 10,000# are now class 3 trucks. Most states that have higher/commercial registration for 350/3500 go by GVWR not the badge on the door or hood.
As stated before, why not just get rid of the class 2 diesel trucks.

Well what likely needs to happen is that states need update their registration laws and weight classifications!
Will that likely happen, probably NOT.

If you go back 25 years, even the big three 350/3500's had GVWR between 10,000# to 10,500#. Meaning that likely most states saw trucks over 10,000# commercial trucks, meaning higher cost, and because of the commercial registration higher insurance rates.

Going to the Way-back machine late 1980's, Here in the PNW Nalley's was a large producer of potato chips and chip like snacks. They were sold directly to grocery wholesale warehouses and chains, Safeway, Albertson's and Thriftway. Very little merchandising just what the stores did.
So Nalley's went to direct to individual stores and a driver salesman. The vehicle of choice was an F350 DRW and a decent sized box 5er trailer. The total package weight maybe 20,000#. Well the driver salesmen were required in Washington to get CDL's

[SweetLou]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.

??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.

Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.

In the State of California, any pick up truck, even the very small rangers, Nissans, etc. are considered commercial. That's how thy justify soaking you on your registration

[Grit_dog]

rhagfo wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:



Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.

Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.

Well the GM and Ford 250/2500 over 10,000# are now class 3 trucks. Most states that have higher/commercial registration for 350/3500 go by GVWR not the badge on the door or hood.
As stated before, why not just get rid of the class 2 diesel trucks.

You still don’t understand. 10k gvw is necessary to circumvent DOT issues for commercially operated trucks. 10k gvw allows the capability of a big boy pickup while circumventing the DOT drivers file and DOT numbers requirements for ALOT of drivers.
Although many companies don’t follow the drivers file requirements, it does cause issues fairly frequently with employees driving >10k gvw trucks. Especially with trailers.

[Grit_dog]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.

??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.

Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.

Oh ya. Makes sense.

[rhagfo]

Grit dog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:



Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.

Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.

Well the GM and Ford 250/2500 over 10,000# are now class 3 trucks. Most states that have higher/commercial registration for 350/3500 go by GVWR not the badge on the door or hood.
As stated before, why not just get rid of the class 2 diesel trucks.

[Cummins12V98]

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.

??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.

Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.

[Grit_dog]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.

??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.