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Edd505

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Posted: 12/25/20 12:14pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

14K road ready with F350SRW tows great 10-12K a year. I live in the SW so plenty of mountain driving.

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I was coming home from skiing yesterday evening and had a little bit of wake up call on the Trans Canada. I tend to push it a little so when I had a chance to get my speed up in the fast lane I took advantage of it. I thought the pavement was pretty good so I was running in 2wd but when I hit a curve at 120 my bald Michelins lost traction and I just about joined the other 10 vehicles buried in the ditch. After getting things straightened out I wondered "what would have happened there had I been driving a dually". It could be that if I drove a dually I'd run better tires in the winter end up being safer.


Well running 120 kph (74.4 mph) seems a bit unreasonable on a questionable road surface. We daily drive our DRW and when bad weather comes we adjust driving speed and style to suit road, weather, and vehicle conditions.

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What is the difference between a SRW & a DRW? Possibly this is. Notice that the truck is not still attached to the trailer. The DRW truck had the extra stability & stayed upright. The truck remained upright & on the road. The trailer tore out of the truck & barrel rolled down the embankment.

Sure any SRW can pull a big 5er. You don't need a DRW till that split second when you really NEED that DRW. That is when your life just might depend on those extra two wheels.

Notice also what the kingpin did to the 18,000lb hitch when it broke out of the truck. Trailer weight at the time of the blowover was less than 13,000 lb.

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Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.


Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.


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GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.


??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.

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Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.


??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.


Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.

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Grit dog wrote:

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Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.


Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.


Well the GM and Ford 250/2500 over 10,000# are now class 3 trucks. Most states that have higher/commercial registration for 350/3500 go by GVWR not the badge on the door or hood.
As stated before, why not just get rid of the class 2 diesel trucks.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.


??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.


Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.


Oh ya. Makes sense.

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rhagfo wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

rhagfo wrote:




Grit Dog, don't know where you have been since 2013, but Ram made the jump to big SRW GVWR back then.
2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB GVWR 12,300#
2013 Ram 3500 SRW SB GVWR 11,700#
Ford and GM were still topped out at 11,500# until 2020.


Sorry, I meant 3/4 ton trucks. Last I checked, but icbw, Ram 2500s are still at the 10k limit whereas the other 2 now have supersized 3/4 ton GVW offerings. Albeit, defeating the actual reason for 3/4 tons having a 10k gvw limit for commercial use.


Well the GM and Ford 250/2500 over 10,000# are now class 3 trucks. Most states that have higher/commercial registration for 350/3500 go by GVWR not the badge on the door or hood.
As stated before, why not just get rid of the class 2 diesel trucks.


You still don’t understand. 10k gvw is necessary to circumvent DOT issues for commercially operated trucks. 10k gvw allows the capability of a big boy pickup while circumventing the DOT drivers file and DOT numbers requirements for ALOT of drivers.
Although many companies don’t follow the drivers file requirements, it does cause issues fairly frequently with employees driving >10k gvw trucks. Especially with trailers.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

GVWR should be higher but one more pound to 14,001# will put the DRW into commercial territory.


??
I don't understand.
For non commercial use, single vehicles under 26k gvw don't have any drivers license requirements.
For commercial, single vehicles basically have 10k and 26k limits on drivers file, drivers license required.

Maybe some states have different registration requirements over 14k? Just like some states have weird laws about lighter trucks as well, like NY and CA?
What is magical about 14k gvw? In any state I could drive it with a normal drivers license and in WA at least there's no additional inspection requirements or anything, just buy the weight tabs you want.


Didn’t say license. Insurance and registration changes at 14,001# in many locations. Example the F450 stays at Class 3 for the above reasons when it clearly should be Class 4.

In the State of California, any pick up truck, even the very small rangers, Nissans, etc. are considered commercial. That's how thy justify soaking you on your registration


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