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CaLBaR

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Posted: 12/23/20 06:04am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Just wanted to share this with everyone as FCA has confirmed that there is no CP4.2 in the 2021 Cummins in the article below. Great news now just wondering if they will retrofit my 2019 Cummins to the new pump if/when the CP4.2 grenades.

https://www.hdrams.com/ram-moves-away-from-the-cp4-2-injection-pump-for-2021/

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Posted: 12/23/20 06:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well it looks like only Ford is sticking with the CP4.2 - but no worries Ford stands behind their customers when the pump fails - right?

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Flashman wrote:

Well it looks like only Ford is sticking with the CP4.2 - but no worries Ford stands behind their customers when the pump fails - right?


LOL! At least they've gotten the full repair cost down to only around $8k!


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Posted: 12/23/20 08:38am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Great news! Wanted to pull the trigger on a new 2020 Cummins a few months ago, but hesitated because of the CP4. Probably pull the trigger on a new CP3-equipped 2021 when the year-end incentives come back on-line late next year.

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Flashman wrote:

Well it looks like only Ford is sticking with the CP4.2 - but no worries Ford stands behind their customers when the pump fails - right?


Yeah... As far behind as possible [emoticon]


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Posted: 12/23/20 09:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm happy with my '15 but this would put the Ram back on my list of diesel trucks. For the '19 or '20 model years, I'd have gone with Dmax.


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Like I said in another thread.
Bring back the stone reliable pump, get the Powerline trans stuffed in there and idk why anyone would buy anything BUT a Ram for a diesel pickup!
Ram will have basically created the old analogy...a Cummins with an Allison on a super duty chassis.
5th gen chassis gives up nothing to the other 2 for strength and amenities, still has the best engine, combined now with the best IP and soon to have the best or at least as good as the others, transmission!


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Absolutely no doubt Ram was seeing some kind of hit to their bottom line that convinced them to go back to the CP3. The cost per failure (under warranty) was dramatically higher with the CP4. It would make sense for Ram to switch back to the CP3---even if the failure rate for the CP3 and CP4 were the same.

Now that Chevy and Ram have both walked away from the CP4, it certainly leaves Ford in an interesting marketing position---especially with these CP4 class-action lawsuits still in the pipe-line. My guess Ford's too highly invested in the CP4--their bean counters have probably determined it's better to stay the course. Maybe Ford's counting on their brand loyal diesel customers to simply choose the 7.3 gasser (vs. a Chevy or Ram) when confronted with the CP4's bad press.

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otrfun wrote:

Absolutely no doubt Ram was seeing some kind of hit to their bottom line that convinced them to go back to the CP3. The cost per failure (under warranty) was dramatically higher with the CP4. It would make sense for Ram to switch back to the CP3---even if the failure rate for the CP3 and CP4 were the same.

Now that Chevy and Ram have both walked away from the CP4, it certainly leaves Ford in an interesting marketing position---especially with these CP4 class-action lawsuits still in the pipe-line. My guess Ford's too highly invested in the CP4--their bean counters have probably determined it's better to stay the course. Maybe Ford's counting on their brand loyal diesel customers to simply choose the 7.3 gasser (vs. a Chevy or Ram) when confronted with the CP4's bad press.


They got away with it on the 6.0. Some people will continue to buy them no matter how shitey they are.

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CaLBaR wrote:

Just wanted to share this with everyone as FCA has confirmed that there is no CP4.2 in the 2021 Cummins in the article below. Great news now just wondering if they will retrofit my 2019 Cummins to the new pump if/when the CP4.2 grenades.

https://www.hdrams.com/ram-moves-away-from-the-cp4-2-injection-pump-for-2021/

Rob
This is indeed great news. The CP4 is the reason I did not even consider Ram when purchasing the truck in my sig.
I wonder how they were able to heep the power numbers up using the CP3.... That was the reason tthe CP4 was used before. It ran at higher pressure enabling more power.
No matter... It is great news.

Now 12V really has something to crow about.



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