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Gdetrailer

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Posted: 01/16/21 02:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

obgraham wrote:

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And for those touting "i" stuff, yeah, they to can get virus's, keyloggers, malware and are not "exempt" and you shouldn't throw rocks at non "i" products because some day, one of those rocks may bounce back and smash your "i" products glass house..
It's not a question of "touting", we all know stuff can happen. I can say, however, that after over 25 years on Windows stuff, I switched to Mac. Virtually all the issues I had with Win -- slow startups, hangups on shutdown, browser incompatibility, progressively slower machinery, and nefarious junk being attached to my computer -- all went away, once I got past the MS mindsets and learned the Apple mindsets.

Will it last? -- who knows?


I have had well over 30 yrs of PC/Windows/DOS/NT and many older OSs "experience" than I care to list.

In all of that time, I have only twice been hit by a virus/malware. Have spent many yrs of my life being online or having some sort of online connection as part of my job. I think getting hit twice in 30 yrs using non "i" products is pretty reasonable and should be expected..

Just because you bought into the "i" thing doesn't mean you will make it through your entire life without getting hit by a virus/malware.. Lots of online "i" forums with same issue with virus/malware issues..

You can bury your head in the sand, run and hide but eventually luck will run out on you as long as you have your "i" product attached to the wobbly web.

For many of us doing real work with real companies, we can't duck and run or hide our head in the sand because well over 95% of the worlds softwares runs exclusively on a PC platform using some form of Windows..

Pretty much everything you use or buy has been touched by a process that was exclusively run on a MS software platform..

Do you bank?

Use a ATM?

Have you been to a DR?

Hospital?

How about your electric Co?

Water bill?

Grocery store?

Gas station?

Own a car?

All of the above and more will be using a MS windows platform somewhere in their business..

Those are just a few examples of what IS "running the world"..

On edit..

It is also worthwhile to mention the "i" company DOESN'T make/sell "server hardware", nor do they make "server software"..

Without servers, your "i" products would be 99.9% useless and there would not be any such thing as "the Internet"..

You should be thanking the Non "i" products for at least the fact that you can "connect" to the Internet..

* This post was edited 01/16/21 02:37pm by Gdetrailer *

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I guess you didn't read my post, GDE. I specifically agreed that "stuff happens". I only stated that the whole computer experience is a lot smoother having switched from the company started by one "egocentric guru", to the company started by "a different egocentric guru".

Beyond that, your checkoff list of vulnerabilities has exactly Zero to do with which operating system one uses.

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Posted: 01/17/21 09:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BradBurns wrote:

Sorry, but this sounds very hopeless

You're best protection is to be vigilant, and practice layered security approach.

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RickLight wrote:

The IT security pros i know say use 3rd party AV. Norton has bailed me out several times!

In my organization, all staff are allowed free 3rd party AV software for personal devices, which is included in our enterprise license.

However, everyone in my IT office including myself all use MS Defender on our personal PCs. Based on our own office experience, and concerns about our AI based AV app.

What's funny was when I first installed Office 365 (v19) suite on my personal desktop, we're allowed 10 free licenses on personal devices, I forgot to uncheck "apply my organization policy to this computer". I didn't realize that this included installing my company AV software. I quickly found out I couldn't uninstall it. So ended up re-imaging my desktop PC, so I could re-enable Defender.

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Let's just say, PCMatic has caught more "bad internet pages" (preventing my access) than Norton/McAffe and from reviews and independent tests, PC Matic bested other non US commie based malware/ransomware software companies.

Maybe it is due to their unique method of using "white listing" (list of known safe files) for protection. Most virus apps use "black listing" (list of constantly evolving malware codes/algorithms) for protection. If it ain't on their list, you could get infected.

Most all malware/virus pros agree that Defender can be inconsistent and produce a higher rate of false positives. But more importantly, if you use Internet Explorer or Edge, then Defender's anti-phishing feature will work just fine. The trouble starts when you use non-Microsoft browsers like Chrome and Firefox (what I use). And what about smart devices, like my Android phone? Defender can't help you but PC Matic has you covered.

What computer/program optimization features are available on Defender? None. PC Matic has a nice suite of optimization tools incorporated.

BTW, isn't Defender Microsoft based? And with the now mandatory "Microsoft Account", Bill Gates and Company have full knowledge of Windows 10 users' actions.

If one thinks Microsoft Defender is more "private", that's OK with me; most of us know differently.

Added on edit: PC Matic only replaces Defender's virus/malware features--it is not an either/or.

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SPRey wrote:

Let's just say, PCMatic has caught more "bad internet pages" (preventing my access) than Norton/McAffe and from reviews and independent tests, PC Matic bested other non US commie based malware/ransomware software companies.

From which independent testing organizations? The only 'independent' security testing of PCMatic that I've been able to locate, AV-Test.org found PCMatic scored well below industry average for 'real-world' threats than virtually all the top AV software including free MS Defender? Any AV software can and should score top ratings against known threats, the challenge being zero-day malware.

I would never rely on commercial magazine reviews or commissioned expert testing as they have a vested interest in the results.

False positives are not necessarily a bad thing. Better than AV software not finding an actual threat. It tells you should confirm with secondary security scanning. There is no such thing as one all encompassing security app. Especially, these days.

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BTW, isn't Defender Microsoft based? And with the now mandatory "Microsoft Account", Bill Gates and Company have full knowledge of Windows 10 users' actions.
A "Microsoft Account" is not mandatory on Windows 10. It is the default so only those that allow Microsoft to dictate your Windows configuration get a "Microsoft Account" instead of a local PC account.

With that being said, I am a Google app user and therefore Google knows all about me. I don't care as I have nothing to hide but also in today's tech world information about you is harvested in many different ways anyway. My credit card company is very good at warning of a possible scam. I have never had any problem operating in this world since the Internet came on the scene.


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1492 wrote:

From which independent testing organizations? The only 'independent' security testing of PCMatic that I've been able to locate, AV-Test.org found PCMatic scored well below industry average for 'real-world' threats than virtually all the top AV software including free MS Defender? Any AV software can and should score top ratings against known threats, the challenge being zero-day malware.

I would never rely on commercial magazine reviews or commissioned expert testing as they have a vested interest in the results.

False positives are not necessarily a bad thing. Better than AV software not finding an actual threat. It tells you should confirm with secondary security scanning. There is no such thing as one all encompassing security app. Especially, these days.


You mean the same folks that awarded PC Matic AV-TEST Award earlier last year?

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With the AV-TEST Award, the leading test institute for IT security selects each year the best products in their class. To be honored with one of the internationally renowned awards, however, IT security products have to score the highest ratings in comprehensive tests throughout the test period of one full year. That is precisely what PC Matic has achieved with its "Home" product. The AV-TEST Award 2019 in the test category of performance for consumer products goes to PC Matic.

But its cool, for the past 3 years I have subscribed to PC Matic and quite happy, no malware. Can't say that for Norton and McAfee.

And then we this issue earlier this year, Avast was caught harvesting users highly sensitive data and selling it to Google and Microsoft". Oh no, not the guys that make Defender! I wonder if Defender tracks users...hmmm.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/01/........-user-data-then-sold-to-google-microsoft

PC Matic has an Data Integrity Pledge to not sell user data.

https://techtalk.pcmatic.com/2020/01/29/........c-matic-announces-data-integrity-pledge/

Where's Microsoft's pledge?

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A "Microsoft Account" is not mandatory on Windows 10. It is the default so only those that allow Microsoft to dictate your Windows configuration get a "Microsoft Account" instead of a local PC account.

With that being said, I am a Google app user and therefore Google knows all about me. I don't care as I have nothing to hide but also in today's tech world information about you is harvested in many different ways anyway. My credit card company is very good at warning of a possible scam. I have never had any problem operating in this world since the Internet came on the scene.


To download any app from Microsoft store, you must log in. Yep, to download any app, including Skype--gotta have an account.

I've been hit real bad with Identity Theft twice. Both times it took hundreds of hours and attorneys to fix it. I thwart all high tech tracking and try to be inconspicuous. LOL, and yes, I don't have a Facebook account neither.

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SPRey wrote:

To download any app from Microsoft store, you must log in. Yep, to download any app, including Skype--gotta have an account.

I never download an app from the Microsoft store. I abandoned Microsoft apps years ago. No problem as there are plenty of alternatives. I just use Windows as an operating system and I would abandon it for Linux except for a couple of apps I need to don't have a Linux version.

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