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K Charles

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Ranger Smith wrote:

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When we were looking to go from a TT to an MH we found out that a good used gas can ride as good as and have less road noise then a cheap used diesel.


Yea Right. I have never owned a gas RV that rode as good as a diesel or was quieter and I’ve had more than most people.


The OP says he is looking for a 15 year old diesel. I looked at many junk gas and diesel MHs and a few good ones. At 15 years old he could get a good diesel but he could get a junk. You don't think a very well maintained low mileage gas could be nicer then a 15 year old never taken care of high mileage junk DP just because the DP has a rear engine and air ride?





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K Charles wrote:

Ranger Smith wrote:

K Charles wrote:

When we were looking to go from a TT to an MH we found out that a good used gas can ride as good as and have less road noise then a cheap used diesel.


Yea Right. I have never owned a gas RV that rode as good as a diesel or was quieter and I’ve had more than most people.


The OP says he is looking for a 15 year old diesel. I looked at many junk gas and diesel MHs and a few good ones. At 15 years old he could get a good diesel but he could get a junk. You don't think a very well maintained low mileage gas could be nicer then a 15 year old never taken care of high mileage junk DP just because the DP has a rear engine and air ride?


I do agree a maintained gasser could be nicer . . . But now your talking a good condition gasser to a junk diesel. That is not what the OP asked. He asked about the ride and noise of both. A new gasser won't ride as nice as a used diesel. If you never owned one you can't make that statement.


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cbr46, what is your budget range? Our current MH will be with us 14 years the August and seems to check every box you're looking for except the length. They did make them shorter and they can be bought for reasonable $$$.


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Bruce Brown wrote:

cbr46, what is your budget range? Our current MH will be with us 14 years the August and seems to check every box you're looking for except the length. They did make them shorter and they can be bought for reasonable $$$.
When we purchased our MH it was 11 yo.

The DW says 50k but I think 60k will get us closer to what we want. Also trying to get out of the early 2000 styling but even a 2006 Winnebago Journey we looked at seemed out dated (round headlights, white/light brown).

DW wants something short (32-34) but seems like features we want only come in longer units. With 34+ we would have to cut down some trees plus I'm concerned with turning radius, getting around tight places, etc. 39 doesn't scare me . . . . too much.

We'll also have a 19 yo gasser to get rid of. If condition was 1-5 a 3 might be about right, or 2.5. Everything works but some bubbling on the outside walls under windows, windshield molding coming off, etc. That and the mileage will probably have to give it away.


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Disclaimer: No gasser will be as quiet as a DP.

Having said that, Our current, 13 Tiffin Open Road 36LA, is much quieter than our previous V10. Tiffin & Newmar provide much better heat and sound dampening at build. Unless at high RPM, on a steep climb, DW and I have a normal conversation.

The ride is very good, out of the factory. It could be better but that takes some upgrades we do not wish to pay for. Handling is great. Did add a true center.

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Interesting, I had a friend who just got back from the Tampa RV show. He went to look at a few diesel pushers he was interested in. While he was there he bought a Coachmen Encore 355, a gasser. He said and I quote “it’s a Diesel Pusher without being one”!

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I can offer my recent experience. We have had 2 gas coaches - 1988 Winnebago Superchief 34' P30 454 7mpg, and a 2005 Fleetwood Flair 34F 8.1 Workhorse 8mpg. I had just upgraded the 2005 - new roof coating, new windows, new tires fully serviced, etc. Last year we sold the Fleetwood and purchased a 2013 Tiffin Allegro Red 38QBA - Cummins ISB6.7. Previous coach my wife also struggled going on trips. With the new coach she is all on board. Comfort, luxury, amenities, storage, ride quality, quietness, all at a smoking good used price (about the cost of a new gas unit) . This coach only had 4800 miles on it. I just did a 3000 mile trip and averaged 11mpg at 65mph. It was a learning curve on driving and servicing the DP, but it is so much easier to drive and quiet - I am hooked and will never go back.


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OP here . . .

We looked at a 2005 Newmar Kountry Star. It hadn't been prepped very well (dirty, worn) but we looked beyond that. Pluses were a quiet HVAC but the Cummins diesel at idle was noisier than our V10 (also at idle), and had several rattles throughout the coach . . . at idle! The generator was also louder than our gas Onan to the point we had to raise our voices (slightly) to have a conversation. I'll admit not a good first impression . . . .

The salesman did explain that newer coaches were better insulated (5" to 7") but hard to say which year and which manufacturers were quicker to add the extra insulation.

But you DP'ers love the sauce. We'll keep looking.

The trick is to improve the age and stay within our fuzzy budget.

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Hi Bob & Anita, I have frankly never been a fan of the Ford V-10. Fords new V8 is much more suited for RV use. They call it the Godzilla and there’s a lot to like about it. As for noise the diesel will always be noisyer, especially at start up and warm up. And of course diesel has its own unique smell.

Some say “Gas and Diesel are all the same once you’re parked” and there is something to say about that. My brother wants to buy a gas because he says “I understand a gas engine”! And there’s something to be said for that as well.

But here’s the thing... If money is a factor after the purchase when things go bump in the night. A diesel will be much more to fix than gas. Heck you can almost buy a new gas engine for what it costs for a valve job on a diesel.

There are some who will get all up in arms with such talk. But what you will not find are those who say I’m wrong. Look, find a good gas coach with the things you want in it and enjoy. You can always buy a diesel pusher later. And a gas will get you where you want to go. And buy a good gasser and you’ll really enjoy the ride. Gassers have come a long way baby. Just my thoughts.

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cbr46 wrote:

OP here . . .

We looked at a 2005 Newmar Kountry Star. It hadn't been prepped very well (dirty, worn) but we looked beyond that. Pluses were a quiet HVAC but the Cummins diesel at idle was noisier than our V10 (also at idle), and had several rattles throughout the coach . . . at idle! The generator was also louder than our gas Onan to the point we had to raise our voices (slightly) to have a conversation. I'll admit not a good first impression . . . .

The salesman did explain that newer coaches were better insulated (5" to 7") but hard to say which year and which manufacturers were quicker to add the extra insulation.

But you DP'ers love the sauce. We'll keep looking.

The trick is to improve the age and stay within our fuzzy budget.

Best,
- bob & anita


Being a 2005 I think you'll find that had a Cat powered non-inverter type generator. Might have been a Generac. Our '03 had that, the Onan in our '08 is much quieter.

The other thing, diesels rattle at idle, then they smooth out when powered up. Our MH does it, my farm tractors do it, my backhoe does it.

If you're making a decision based on idling in a parking lot you're doing yourself a real disservice.

Take a gasser up a 6% grade then take the diesel up the same grade and let us know how it goes. [emoticon]

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