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canoe on top

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Posted: 02/24/21 12:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

LT tires were more of a consideration when ST tires were speed rated at 65 mph.The Endurance is speed rated at 87 mph. ST tires made in China are notorious for reliability issues. GY Endurance tires are made in the U.S. My experience with LT tires is that they do not weather well. The tread usually wears out on a truck before that's an issue. LT tires on my TT tended to develop sidewall cracks. ST tires have compounds that resist weathering. When I purchased the Endurance tires I felt the sidewalls of the LT tires that I were being taken off and the ST tires being mounted. The difference is significant.If you've ever looked at the offset of your TT axles in a tight turn you can see the side load the tire has to withstand. The heavier sidewall is important.Tread depth should not be significant under most conditions. Less tread depth might produce less squirm meaning more stability.After production of almost all ST tires moved to China, I went to LT tires for speed rating and manufacturing quality. I think the Endurance addresses those issues and has the advantages of an ST tire.

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canoe on top wrote:

I think the Endurance addresses those issues and has the advantages of an ST tire.


An ST Edurance tire of a given size has a higher load rating than the same size tires I replaced (from Les Schwab) on my 8.5 x 20 cargo trailer as shown in this video


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OP hasn't come back. But he is getting ripped off somewhere. I order mine from Discount tire direct and local guy mounts them for $15 a wheel. Just put 6 Firestones on my duelly $700.

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Posted: 02/25/21 04:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Talk to the local tire dealer, he has probably done trailers before. If they are close, they may be willing to do it at your house.


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Grit dog wrote:

Not exaggerating Timmy!

First, you don’t know if the OP has 14s or 15s. 14s don’t have squat in LT tires. Not even an option really. And since you didn’t specify your were speaking exclusively about 15s then yes it was horrible advice.
15s, about the best you can do is the 2150 lb cap in a LT tire.
Your Endurance’s are a smaller tire with a little more capacity. 55lbs per your post.
But you can get 225 size (1/2” larger diameter) up to 2800+ pound capacity.
So yes you can get a truck tire that is decent I suppose in a 15” size but you can get a ST tire that has almost 700lbs more capacity per tire.
And if the OP has 15s on a trailer with 5200lb axles the truck tires can’t do the job up to the max weight that could be on the trailer.

Next time check all your facts.

By the way speed rating is a non issue. Unless you’re comparing to the cheapest trailer tires on the market. And tread depth/tread wear isn’t either, unless you happen to be the one person out of most who actually puts, say 30-40k miles on your trailer tires before they age out.
AND deeper tread depth is NOT preferable unless off road or in snow for a trailer. Creates more (insignificant amount likely, but it’s there) instability and more tire scrub in tight turns.

Btw, the LT tire bandwagon for small trailer tires lost its wheels a decade or 2 ago, so it might be time to get off the ride!


So I see I got your goat; fancy that. Guess we are not very "gritty dog", are we? Pussycat maybe.

You are right, neither of us know the size of the OP's tires. So I guess we can discount most of your diatribe, since you don't know.

But I do know the size of my TT tires and shared my real life experiences with my 15" TT tires. If you had some experiences with LT tires, then I am sure you would have shared those; but you didn't. Instead, you attempted to discredit my personal experiences and facts.

My experiences with LT tires has been great and I shared exactly why I made my choice. You can opine all you want, but that does not change the positive experiences I and others have with LT tires. Just as people have had good experiences with ST tires. One size does not fit all.

I guess a few thousand of us TT owners with LT tires never got the memo declaring the LT tire Bandwagon is over. So the LT debate had been settled a decades ago...by who? BTW, when did GY stop producing Marathons? Hmm, not decades ago.

Yes, Timmo and his posse camp mostly off the beaten path (boonies) and sometimes a brief weekend stay those smaller campgrounds. Places where we can slip our 20' TT in tiny camp sites usually occupied by tent campers. I think the last time we stayed in an RV park with paved roads, concrete pads, and connections for water, electric and sewer was way back in 1999; before we bought our Nash.

In our travels, snow chains on the TT were needed many times to travel between spots--hmm. Imagine that! Not everyone camps like "The Grit Doggie" at cushy campgrounds.

And...when a person changes a civil discussion on TT tire facts and shared personal experiences, and then attempts to downgrade it to another silly kindergarten sandbox name calling game, then one must be out ammo (no more facts). It must be frustrating have a deficit of LT tire facts and/or experiences, and instead of making friendly contributions--one resorts to attacking the person instead. Yep, out of ammo.

BTW, all my women affectionately call me Timmy. Just so you know where you stand.


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Timmo! wrote:



So I see I got your goat; fancy that. Guess we are not very "gritty dog", are we? Pussycat maybe.

You are right, neither of us know the size of the OP's tires. So I guess we can discount most of your diatribe, since you don't know.

But I do know the size of my TT tires and shared my real life experiences with my 15" TT tires. If you had some experiences with LT tires, then I am sure you would have shared those; but you didn't. Instead, you attempted to discredit my personal experiences and facts.

My experiences with LT tires has been great and I shared exactly why I made my choice. You can opine all you want, but that does not change the positive experiences I and others have with LT tires. Just as people have had good experiences with ST tires. One size does not fit all.

I guess a few thousand of us TT owners with LT tires never got the memo declaring the LT tire Bandwagon is over. So the LT debate had been settled a decades ago...by who? BTW, when did GY stop producing Marathons? Hmm, not decades ago.

Yes, Timmo and his posse camp mostly off the beaten path (boonies) and sometimes a brief weekend stay those smaller campgrounds. Places where we can slip our 20' TT in tiny camp sites usually occupied by tent campers. I think the last time we stayed in an RV park with paved roads, concrete pads, and connections for water, electric and sewer was way back in 1999; before we bought our Nash.

In our travels, snow chains on the TT were needed many times to travel between spots--hmm. Imagine that! Not everyone camps like "The Grit Doggie" at cushy campgrounds.

And...when a person changes a civil discussion on TT tire facts and shared personal experiences, and then attempts to downgrade it to another silly kindergarten sandbox name calling game, then one must be out ammo (no more facts). It must be frustrating have a deficit of LT tire facts and/or experiences, and instead of making friendly contributions--one resorts to attacking the person instead. Yep, out of ammo.

BTW, all my women affectionately call me Timmy. Just so you know where you stand.


First, I apologize for the mis-spelling of your name. Whoda thunk that Timmo might autocorrect to an actual word like Timmy?
Anyway, no one is upset on this end of the internet. It's just that you don't know what you're talking about, and think "your" way is the best way, when it's not.
I just try to keep people from making mistakes due to the proliferation of bad intel here, like "don't use ST tires, not rated for high enough speed and loading."
Which is about 99.5% horse manure.

I'll summarize:
14 or 15"? Doesn't matter. 14" LTs are non existent, so, whatever.
15" LTs are rare and if load rating is a concern, 15" ST tires can be had in MUCH higher load ratings than vehicle tires.
The rest doesn't matter, but regarding Goodyear marathons, yup I figured out those were junk back in about 2003 or 04, so not quite "decades", but more than a decade. Besides there were great ST replacement tires for those back then as well as actual LT options in 14" and 15". But alas the world seems to have passed you by since then because noone has made a passenger vehicle that "needs" any sort of LT tire in those small rim sizes in this century, save for maybe the compact pickups that someone wants to overload.
Back when full size trucks had 15" wheels heavy duty tires in those sizes were common.

And rather than explain why you think the actual data I posted is wrong, you do the 2nd grade name calling game.
Cheers Timmy! I mean Timmo!

And fwiw I never discredited your experience with your tires, just said it's bad "general" advice, as you threw it out there in your first post. And it still is. Will a 15" HT tire "work" in certain scenarios and even work well? I have no doubt tht it will, but allow me to clue you in to something. Feel free to use this in other life decisions as well. If "everyone else" and "the industry" are all doing something differently than you do, maybe it's time to at least question what you're doing. At very least don't broadcast it as the "best" way to do something when you're not well informed of the other options out there.

* This post was edited 02/25/21 03:34pm by Grit dog *


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I think arguing over minutia is boring and counter productive and I hope you think the same.

I expressed my experiences and you expressed your opinions, it is that simple.

And yes in this world, there are leaders (contrarian out of the box thinkers, we don't follow the pack and the first to challenge the status quo), there are followers (those that always color within the lines, are obedient to the status quo and never challenge authority), there are do-nothing takers (gimme, gimme, gimme...a liability to society and they "get the honey"*), and there are givers (we help those that cannot help themselves...an asset to society and we usually "sing the blues"*).

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Not minuta, but it’s easy to try to deflect when you’re being defensive.
So let’s keep it simple and objective.
Find the load specs for the best 14” LT tire and 14” ST tire and do the same for 15”.
You’ll understand what I’m saying then.
And I’m not discrediting your experience, as you appear to be mine, but I’ve made a living maintaining a fleet of light trailers through high school and juco. And made a living that involves frequent use of light and heavy trailers, as well as owning probably a dozen or more over the years for personal use.
So I understand as well as anyone what works best and what doesn’t. I never try to mis lead anyone, but rather educate them, as I get educated about things I am not proficient or knowledgeable about.
Good day!

PS, your posts would be better received if you could put away the witty personal attacks. It’s unprofessional. I don’t care but some people may take it to heart.

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Hi All. Thanks for the tire replacement recommendations.

Just wanted to provide an update. I checked out Discount Tire. They have a relatively new location near me. While the lot isn't huge, they directed me to park next to the building blocking only the last bay. With two entrances to the main road, I could pull in from one end and leave from the other - no backing needed. In about 30 minutes, a crew had replaced the tires.

Old tires: Westlake ST225/75R15. Load E. Speed L.
New tires: Goodyear Endurance ST225/75R15. Load E. Speed N.

I had them install metal valve stems as I am planning to add a tire pressure monitoring system.

Tires have a six year warranty.

Per tire price $134 + about $45 for installation, disposal, etc.


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Good to hear, glad you got it done! Great choice!

Thought maybe the children above, were keeping you from returning.

Jerry





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