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Posted: 03/04/21 07:02am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Does anyone here think/believe electric will replace ICE in GM 2500 and 3500 series trucks by 2035?

I can see the 1500s going that way...or at least all hybrid, but having enough power on board to tow 10K+ lbs over 200 miles seems like a big ask. They could build an electric truck that would out-pull modern diesels, but it seems like range would be severely limited.


Well seeing as how the difference between the trucks you mention has nothing to do with power,the yes 2500,and 3500 willalso be electric.
2035 is a long way of in technology years.
Who knows by the time '35 rolls around, electric may be the boogyman and we are fueling the planet on fribagumut
If you consider that the first Tesla came out about 13 years ago with a range of 245 miles, then the increase in mileage has only increased incrementally in that amount of time. No large technology leaps, perhaps there will be a leap or two in the next 13 years, but no guarantees. But it doesn't really matter anyway, it's all just marketing hype.


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Reisender wrote:

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The real question for me is an EV really cost effective when compared to an ICE or hybrid type vehicle. It is hard to cut through the marketing hyperbole on some of the EV web sites. I will probably give my 2009 CRV to my GS so I am looking for another car anyways and started looking at the some of these EV's. I tried to compare an EV to my current RAV4 Hybrid and this is my logic. I live in CT and my total cost per KWH is 27 cents( 9 cents to generate and 18 cents for delivery costs). Most EV's I looked would use 30 KWH's to go 100 miles. At 27 cents/KWH X 30 KWH's= $8.1 to travel 100 miles. My 2019 RAV4 averages 40MPGs so 100 miles/ 40 MPG's=2.5 gals x $2.00/gal = $5.00. If gas goes to $3/gal and it will that would be $7.50. At $4/gal = $10 to travel 100 miles. So to me the equivalent cost is about $3.40/gal. Not factored in is Ct uses mostly oil to generate electric so the electric cost will go up as the price of oil just not as fast as gas. This does not include all the other stuff others have mentioned such as higher initial cost of the vehicle, etc. Bottom line EV's don't make sense to me unless gas prices exceed $4/gal. Am I missing something in my math?


Here in Michigan, I have a separate meter and rate for the electric car which helps. Also when we got our Volt a few years ago they gave us a credit on the lease of the car and a free charging station from Uncle Sam.
They gave you a free charging station at your home? Or did you have to drive to the Chevy dealer to charge it for free?


Not speaking for Tomman. But all EV’s come with a charging device. Some are basic and only plug into 120 volts while others plug into either 120 or 240 volt. What I think Tomman is referring to is some governments have programs where they will partially or totally pay for a secondary charge station they can install at home and keep the other one in the trunk.

And yes, EV dealers usually have free charge stations at the dealership...which almost no one uses...because they are at the dealership. [emoticon]. Having said that, there is one at a Nissan dealer next to the local A&W that we sometimes use. [emoticon]. Generally the free stations are at restaurants or casinos or hotels. You drop 30 bucks on lunch and they give you 60 cents worth of power. [emoticon]. Lol. What a deal.


Yep at the time of the Volts 1st few years you got an allowance from the Feds for a free install of the electric and a charging station. My meter (they gave me a separate meter for the reduced rate (if you charged at night)) A great deal as they had to run 80 feet to get from the meter to the garage. We also charged downtown at the MGM casino as they lease a couple of floors of their parking garage to Edison and they use electric cars and trucks but anyone can just plug in for free. All electrics have a 120 volt hook up to charge anywhere. The new cars can go far further than the volt on electric (the Volt was 30 miles before it went to gas over electric). I am eager to get another electric because around here and even a lot further with the new batteries we will be saving money going back to electric.


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Of course technology will evolve and EVs will continue to become not only more prevalent but more capable.
However NOONE should be blinded by the past or current (no pun intended, lol) "economy" of not having to pay pump prices to "fill up."

Costs will be what the market will bear. Always have, always will, and the "incentive" will dwindle with popularity.

Amazon is a great/similar example. A new technology or convenience that used to be a place to find bargains. Now pricing is generally exactly commensurate with other retail sources, yet the convenience of one stop shopping and fast "free" shipping (which isn't free, you have to buy Prime) is still attractive. Wait until, if Amazon continues to push out store front retail sources and some online sources. The current attractors will also dwindle and it will just be the only way to procure goods. Just like a gas pump was the only way to fill your car. Once the tide shifts, the competition for customers is gone.

Not good, not bad, just business.
The real lesson here is pattern your business/career decisions around industries or services that you can monopolize or at least have little competition. And as the vehicle mfgs develop more competition, the power companies will be even more in the cat bird seat.


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Posted: 03/05/21 03:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

pitch wrote:

Shal36 wrote:

Does anyone here think/believe electric will replace ICE in GM 2500 and 3500 series trucks by 2035?

I can see the 1500s going that way...or at least all hybrid, but having enough power on board to tow 10K+ lbs over 200 miles seems like a big ask. They could build an electric truck that would out-pull modern diesels, but it seems like range would be severely limited.


Well seeing as how the difference between the trucks you mention has nothing to do with power,the yes 2500,and 3500 willalso be electric.
2035 is a long way of in technology years.
Who knows by the time '35 rolls around, electric may be the boogyman and we are fueling the planet on fribagumut


I think the big difference in the 1500 vs 2500/3500 is expected load and duty cycle, which definitely relates to power delivery and consumption. I suspect the motor tech is there, but building a viable heavy hauler vs a grocery getter with foreseeable future battery tech seems to be the challenge. Of course, they are building fleet delivery vehicles that are electric, but I don’t think they haul heavy and they don’t tow.

What’s also interesting about the truck market is that trucks are the bread and butter of the big three. Trucks and SUVs have the highest volumes and margins. It will be interesting to see what happens if GM has no ICE trucks come 2035 but Ford continues to offer liquid powered choices.

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Shal36 wrote:

pitch wrote:

Shal36 wrote:

Does anyone here think/believe electric will replace ICE in GM 2500 and 3500 series trucks by 2035?

I can see the 1500s going that way...or at least all hybrid, but having enough power on board to tow 10K+ lbs over 200 miles seems like a big ask. They could build an electric truck that would out-pull modern diesels, but it seems like range would be severely limited.


Well seeing as how the difference between the trucks you mention has nothing to do with power,the yes 2500,and 3500 willalso be electric.
2035 is a long way of in technology years.
Who knows by the time '35 rolls around, electric may be the boogyman and we are fueling the planet on fribagumut


I think the big difference in the 1500 vs 2500/3500 is expected load and duty cycle, which definitely relates to power delivery and consumption. I suspect the motor tech is there, but building a viable heavy hauler vs a grocery getter with foreseeable future battery tech seems to be the challenge. Of course, they are building fleet delivery vehicles that are electric, but I don’t think they haul heavy and they don’t tow.

What’s also interesting about the truck market is that trucks are the bread and butter of the big three. Trucks and SUVs have the highest volumes and margins. It will be interesting to see what happens if GM has no ICE trucks come 2035 but Ford continues to offer liquid powered choices.


I don’t think losing the truck market it will be as big of a hit by then as companies like Lordstown, Tesla and Riivian/Amazon will have siphoned off a lot of their market by then. Ford actually has a small stake in Rivian. That will probably help them.

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To make EV's more attractive the gas prices have to go up, which they have dramatically where I live from slightly less than $2/gal to $2.79/gal since the end of last year. When the govt intervenes they can cause prices to go up or down. I suspect the gas prices will continue to rise to well over $3/gal causing more people to buy electric. I believe in free markets and competition because we all benefit but free enterprise is not free when the govt intervenes. I would like to see hydrogen, electric, NG, nuclear, etc all compete without govt interference and the best technology win. I don't think our govt is smart enough today to predict which technology today will be better and help it win.

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As far as trucks go I see them as the last bastion for ICE. yes they will be the last to fall. You will not just have a DRW or 1 ton pick up as a grocery getter.
You will only own one if you absolutely must.
45' DP's and 42' toy haulers will exist but in much smaller quantities than we see them today.
RV'ing will not go away But it will adjust and adapt to the prevailing technology


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Gator398 wrote:

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You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. This is not about AOC or the new green deal. Tesla has shown that EV's are for real and that the ICE is obsolete.
EV's have left the drawing board and are in full production as we speak.
The idea that we can't produce enough electric is silly.
When the model T was originally made did we say this would never work because there were no gas stations?
We have made it from the stage coach to jumbo jets the infrastructure will come.
Going from gas stations to charging stations is not an impossible task.
If you want to believe EV's are for real. Drive a Tesla.
Driving a Tesla for the first time is a game changing experience.
Once you drive a Tesla you will understand where all this is going and why the ICE is obsolete.


The problem you are not seeing, is that the infrastructure you speak of that brought us to "Jumbo Jets" was the discovery of OIL.. ELECTRICITY is produced by OIL and COAL and Nuclear (that creates Massively Hazardous Waste that stays Massively Hazardous for 1000+ years)

So, unless these enviro-nuts are willing to triple the production of OIL, COAL, and Nuclear power, there is not enough power to charge EV if EV shifts from 2% it is currently to 90% that is dreamed of...

It is common freakin sense, not enough power PERIOD


Just a wild haired guess? You and your family members are dependent on the petroleum industry for your livelihood. Enough said!

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Lantley wrote:

As far as trucks go I see them as the last bastion for ICE. yes they will be the last to fall. You will not just have a DRW or 1 ton pick up as a grocery getter.
You will only own one if you absolutely must.
45' DP's and 42' toy haulers will exist but in much smaller quantities than we see them today.
RV'ing will not go away But it will adjust and adapt to the prevailing technology

Yep, RVs will be lighter and built cheaper, if that’s possible.



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FlatBroke wrote:

Lantley wrote:

As far as trucks go I see them as the last bastion for ICE. yes they will be the last to fall. You will not just have a DRW or 1 ton pick up as a grocery getter.
You will only own one if you absolutely must.
45' DP's and 42' toy haulers will exist but in much smaller quantities than we see them today.
RV'ing will not go away But it will adjust and adapt to the prevailing technology

Yep, RVs will be lighter and built cheaper, if that’s possible.


Two points most folks will charge at night when the electric consumption is lower and cheaper. Most power house will be natural gas not oil. Of course the wind and sun will take a pronounced step up also. As for the trucks and such I thinking Hydrogen as their main fuel. Coal and oil folks are being offered a career in wind and solar now.

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