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moisheh

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Posted: 03/28/21 04:11pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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It shows just how much attitudes have changed. It used to be that timid and frightened people never could get past all the bad news about Mexico. Oh maybe they might go on a cruise, but drive in Mexico? Never. Some of us went anyway and soon learned that Mexico was nothing at all like the media portrayed it to be. Sure, there is crime and corruption in Mexico but the odds favor survival for tourists. Visiting Mexico, meeting people there, having fun, and best of all living to tell about it put danger in perspective.





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It's abundantly clear that you have a certain number of moderators on these boards, who close or delete threads based on personal feelings and interpretation of the "rules".

* This post was edited 03/31/21 08:00am by an administrator/moderator *

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Considering that there is very little RVing going on in Mexico due to the pandemic lockdowns, I would hope the mods would be a little more lenient. Topics like travel restrictions and border crossing today are about all most posters can talk about.

Otherwise there is no much else to post about for most of us.

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Too much has changed in the last two years under the new government. Unfortunately, most visitors and ex-pats don't speak the language so they don't watch and read local and national news. It's not good. Things have only gotten worse unless of course, you stick to ex-pat hangouts, rv parks, and the like.

I don't see many rv parks surviving. They've been on the decline since 2007 when all the trouble began with cartels. Too many incidents to recount and I, like many other Mexicans and residents lived some of those terrible times which are now returning thanks to a "no confrontation" policy from the federal government.

Poverty, crime, unemployment were on the rise during 2019 and now they have worsened. We're entering a socialist era and if anyone has read recent history about Latin American, they know it will not turn out well.

I do know that history has good news that may save Mexico. After each pandemic, there were 17 very critical pandemics in world history since the first recorded in 438 B.C., there will be a huge economic boom in democratic societies and developed nations. The end of WWI and the pandemic of 1918 show what happened; the roaring 20s, economic increases such as the stock market, a baby boom also followed.

I'm no longer confident you will see those things here though. Being an rver who can come and go on a whim, escaping a country that one day the decisions they don't like because of its politics, climate, poverty, or changes in laws is easy to do, they can just pick up and leave.

We are still very far behind on vaccinations (only 13 million in three months so that would mean another 2.5 years for full vaccination) so I wouldn't expect border issues to change much unless you are a U.S. citizen.

The northern 10 states have formed an alliance, Alianza Federalista, to fight for less federal control. History can and does repeat itself. Lots of reasons why we are doing this; poor tax base redistribution (northern states pay the most and receive the least, southern states pay the least and receive the most), the lack of formalizing informal businesses, elimination of critical federal institutions such as FONDEN (FEMA Mexico). After suffering the last three weeks with forest fires that have consumed 15,000 acres just across the highway from my house, we can see the damage of reversal in federal reforms and their consequences. Without FONDEN, we lost two weeks of valuable time renting C-10 tankers to put out the fires. We were close to evacuation, 1000 evacuated, homes, businesses, and livestock destroyed.

This is the new Mexico and we can tool around it in our rvs and ex-pat communities and pretend it doesn't have an effect on us.

Just like the pandemic, this is also history.


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QTLA, I don't think the decline that started in 2007 was because of the "cartels" I think the economic recession in 08 and swine flu 09 were the biggest hits causing the decline in RV'ing in Mexico. Fuel prices and crime stories kept many Americans away in recent years. Canadian were still coming until the pandemic restricted their free movement.

Expats, the older retired kind, just want their last years to be comfortable. You are correct that they don't know the "local" news. Living in their gated communities allows them not to know whats going on. There is nothing wrong with that. It does allow for the tremendous amount of charitable endeavors expats perform in their local communities.

Vacationers, including snowbirds, don't care about local politics. They are on vacation.

Because of covid travel restrictions, I have driven 6 cars and RV's out of Mexico for folks during the last year. During my travels I went to 4 RV Parks; Totonaka, Villa Patzcuaro, Paamul, and the RV Park at Playa la Ropa. Totonaka had about 5 rigs, Paamul had 2 rigs, and the others had none. I didn't see many rigs on the road either.

Unless the citizens of the USA, Canada, and Mexico fight these BS covid travel restrictions, Covid could be the final nail in the coffin for RV parks in Mexico

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We were traveling more in 2007 and 2008, although we are boondockers many stopped coming because of the cartel surges taking place throughout the country.

I did a blog post back then with investigative research proving that although most rvers didn't know, they were staying in the five most dangerous states at the time. Not long after there were several reported incidences. They still continue but you read little about them in the news.

Saturday, April 3, 2020, Mexicans Travel........y A Tip To Cops And Extortion To Cartels

This is happening more now on a regular basis including rvers who are paying extortion. There are many dashcam videos of this taking place.

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Life as we knew it - on either side of the border will never be the same again. I just saw a poll that revealed that half those surveyed will continue to wear face masks after Covid passes. That's irrational fear that will paralyze those in its spell to life in isolation - avoiding others and preferring to stay home.
The dynamics that kept RVers out of Mexico for the past 15 or so years are amped up now. The media portrays Covid-19 as a risk far worse than it is. Those who accept doomsday stories shame, slur, and shun those of us who are more optimistic. We saw those emotions at work in the thread that was deleted.
It's heartbreaking. The few of us with a better sense of proportion can continue to travel in a world of face masks where one can't tell if a person is smiling or angry and be the object of hate and resentment from the moribund millions all to quick to pass judgement... Maybe I will try but the unbridled fear and paranoia will make future vacations very different.

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Posted: 04/04/21 08:11am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

qtla9111 wrote:

We were traveling more in 2007 and 2008, although we are boondockers many stopped coming because of the cartel surges taking place throughout the country.

Saturday, April 3, 2020, Mexicans Travel........y A Tip To Cops And Extortion To Cartels

This is happening more now on a regular basis including rvers who are paying extortion. There are many dashcam videos of this taking place.

The link is misleading - it has nothing to do with RV'ers.
What you see in the article is Mexican's returning home LOADED with SHOPPING GOODIES.
And the quoted article is second hand - it quotes Reforma and is now slanted to your purposes.


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bighatnohorse wrote:

qtla9111 wrote:

We were traveling more in 2007 and 2008, although we are boondockers many stopped coming because of the cartel surges taking place throughout the country.

Saturday, April 3, 2020, Mexicans Travel........y A Tip To Cops And Extortion To Cartels

This is happening more now on a regular basis including rvers who are paying extortion. There are many dashcam videos of this taking place.

The link is misleading - it has nothing to do with RV'ers.
What you see in the article is Mexican's returning home LOADED with SHOPPING GOODIES.
And the quoted article is second hand - it quotes Reforma and is now slanted to your purposes.


The link is not misleading. There is no mention of rving. The article is about crossing the border which affects all of us. The purpose of posting it here is to remind those naive or newbie rvers in Mexico that danger is lurking and it starts at the border. Some well-known rv park owners and rvers have fallen prey to both the police and cartels in Nuevo Laredo which is a major crossing point.

Second, Reforma is a major newspaper publisher and Mexico Daily is a gringo newspaper that translates articles for their use with the original publishers' permission. It is widely read along with Lake Chapala News by ex-pats in Mexico as they don't speak Spanish.

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