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noteven

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Posted: 03/30/21 07:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Mammoth a couple more thoughts-

I hear ICBC and their enforcers are pretty strict on not exceeding mfg. door sticker weights if given the chance. Are you going to get stopped and asked to weigh if your rig does not look like a waddling tub going down the road? Prolly not... but weight is not your friend off highway boondocking nor at the gas pump.


Anyhoo pickup style campers by nature of their design to wing over a pickup box can only carry so much heavy stuff low down - the more weight you add “up high” the more moment of inertia there is to contribute to swayage and rock and rollage. I think roof units weigh in the 80-100lbs range?

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Thanks for all the input, it's really helped me make a decision. I've never really been a fan of A/C's and never needed them, but then again I've never been to the desert either [emoticon] I'll go without it but have it prewired. 100lbs is not much but think how much more beer that is haha. I'm still a little hung up on the suspension problem. I know for a fact (looking at the numbers) that I will be pretty much maxing out my trucks payload capacity so I wonder if I should just get the lower torklift stableloafds or timbrens for now and use it for a while. Or maybe add a couple leafs would be worth it. It's a 6.5 hour drive for me when I pick it up so I just don't wanna run into problems half way though.

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Mammoth501 wrote:

Thanks for all the input, it's really helped me make a decision. I've never really been a fan of A/C's and never needed them, but then again I've never been to the desert either [emoticon] I'll go without it but have it prewired. 100lbs is not much but think how much more beer that is haha. I'm still a little hung up on the suspension problem. I know for a fact (looking at the numbers) that I will be pretty much maxing out my trucks payload capacity so I wonder if I should just get the lower torklift stableloafds or timbrens for now and use it for a while. Or maybe add a couple leafs would be worth it. It's a 6.5 hour drive for me when I pick it up so I just don't wanna run into problems half way though.

You will most certainly be fine for the drive home. Don’t stress. A lot of what you will feel the first year of TC ownership is just getting used to the “feeling”.
After your first season you can reassess. If you have too much sag, or decide you may tow something, then you can re-visit the suspension.
I am now a big fan of Stableloads. Super simple and do not effect unladen ride at all as there is no contact with springs when unladen.

My experience is anything you add as unsprung weight (leaf springs, bigger tires/wheels, etc) very quickly turn your ride to [email protected]


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I have a 2020 F350 4X4 SRW with an AF865. It has an 11,300 GVWR, the camper wet is about 4200#. I am over the GVWR by a few hundred pounds, but well within the axle ratings. I changed the tires to 4080# rated Coopers and feel I am good to go.
As everyone has said, drive it first. I have added a Helliwig BigWig sway bar which was a huge improvement, and Firestone air bags to level it to keep the headlights out of others eyes. I am still experimenting, the overloads do not contact the bumpers even with the camper on, so I have added 2" bumpers to get the overloads to work. Taking it out this weekend so we will see.

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[quote=zzyzxpat]I have a 2020 F350 4X4 SRW with an AF865. It has an 11,300 GVWR, the camper wet is about 4200#. I am over the GVWR by a few hundred pounds, but well within the axle ratings. I changed the tires to 4080# rated Coopers and feel I am good to go.
As everyone has said, drive it first. I have added a Helliwig BigWig sway bar which was a huge improvement, and Firestone air bags to level it to keep the headlights out of others eyes. I am still experimenting, the overloads do not contact the bumpers even with the camper on, so I have added 2" bumpers to get the overloads to work. Taking it out this weekend so we will see.[ /quote]

That sounds pretty close to what I figure mine will be like. I will be upgrading my tires for sure, I don’t trust the stock Firestone tires much. My rear axle is rated for 7000# and the front for 6000#. **** I keep going back n forth ?? to upgrade now or later

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Mammoth501 wrote:

Thanks for all the input, it's really helped me make a decision. I've never really been a fan of A/C's and never needed them, but then again I've never been to the desert either [emoticon] I'll go without it but have it prewired. 100lbs is not much but think how much more beer that is haha. I'm still a little hung up on the suspension problem. I know for a fact (looking at the numbers) that I will be pretty much maxing out my trucks payload capacity so I wonder if I should just get the lower torklift stableloafds or timbrens for now and use it for a while. Or maybe add a couple leafs would be worth it. It's a 6.5 hour drive for me when I pick it up so I just don't wanna run into problems half way though.


AH! East Kootenay I see. "Never been to the desert"?. Have ye not been to the So. Central in the summer laddy? Insufferable hell of a furnace it can be. Hateful sun. Drive through there during peak summer and all you have playing in your head is "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" theme!
Ha ha ha ha [emoticon]

I get the 6.5 hour drive thing and not wanting to be fu.....uneasy.
Two options:
First, give the boss at NL a call. Tell them what you got. They might just have first hand experience with your combo and be able to say, nope, don't need nothing or yeah, get this for sure and wait and see if you need XYZ later.
Second option, order the Stableload lowers. Bring them with. If you need them, you got them. If not, then you can return for a refund. Drive the combo around a bit. If you want them, re order them.
But it's your budget and your comfort level. Take us with a grain of salt.
And be sure to fill us in on how it goes and what you did or didn't add. Nothing worse then not getting closure on a show.


"> 1998 GMC 2500, 10.5 Okanagan, My better/smarter half, George and Finnegan(APBT), all I need.


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Mammoth501 wrote:

zzyzxpat wrote:

I have a 2020 F350 4X4 SRW with an AF865. It has an 11,300 GVWR, the camper wet is about 4200#. I am over the GVWR by a few hundred pounds, but well within the axle ratings. I changed the tires to 4080# rated Coopers and feel I am good to go.
As everyone has said, drive it first. I have added a Helliwig BigWig sway bar which was a huge improvement, and Firestone air bags to level it to keep the headlights out of others eyes. I am still experimenting, the overloads do not contact the bumpers even with the camper on, so I have added 2" bumpers to get the overloads to work. Taking it out this weekend so we will see.[ /quote]

That sounds pretty close to what I figure mine will be like. I will be upgrading my tires for sure, I don’t trust the stock Firestone tires much. My rear axle is rated for 7000# and the front for 6000#. **** I keep going back n forth ?? to upgrade now or later

Your rear axle is limited by your tires. It is likely > 7000 lbs.

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Mammoth501 wrote:

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The camper will be somewhere around 3300lbs wet, that only gives me about 600lbs for stuff including the wife and me. GVWR on the truck is 11800 and the truck weighs about 7900........

I don't know, what do you guys think?


What I think is that your rig is going to be WAY overweight.

I would never trust the manufacturer "specs". They tend to be way under reality. For one reason, the specs do not typically include any options such as microwave/oven, awnings, generator, solar panels, etc. Don't forget any mods and accessories you might make. You will lose the tailgate weight but will more than make up for that with the weight of the tiedown brackets, fastguns, and bed mat. Then you need to consider the weight of "personal" items. Those typically hit more than 1000# and would include bedding, towels, clothing, toiletries, kitchen gear, tools, cleaning supplies, rope/extension cord, BBQ grill and fuel, chairs, folding table, camera/computer/hobby stuff, and food/drinks. Food and drinks are going to be much heavier than you think and the basics for a couple of people for a week or two can hit several hundred pounds.

Your rig is going to be overweight by at least 1000# and all of that excess is going to be on the rear axle. If you have time, I would rethink your choices for camper and/or truck. Forget that 90# AC unit, you have a much bigger issue with being 1000# overweight.

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JimK-NY wrote:

Mammoth501 wrote:

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The camper will be somewhere around 3300lbs wet, that only gives me about 600lbs for stuff including the wife and me. GVWR on the truck is 11800 and the truck weighs about 7900........

I don't know, what do you guys think?


What I think is that your rig is going to be WAY overweight.

I would never trust the manufacturer "specs". They tend to be way under reality. For one reason, the specs do not typically include any options such as microwave/oven, awnings, generator, solar panels, etc. Don't forget any mods and accessories you might make. You will lose the tailgate weight but will more than make up for that with the weight of the tiedown brackets, fastguns, and bed mat. Then you need to consider the weight of "personal" items. Those typically hit more than 1000# and would include bedding, towels, clothing, toiletries, kitchen gear, tools, cleaning supplies, rope/extension cord, BBQ grill and fuel, chairs, folding table, camera/computer/hobby stuff, and food/drinks. Food and drinks are going to be much heavier than you think and the basics for a couple of people for a week or two can hit several hundred pounds.

Your rig is going to be overweight by at least 1000# and all of that excess is going to be on the rear axle. If you have time, I would rethink your choices for camper and/or truck. Forget that 90# AC unit, you have a much bigger issue with being 1000# overweight.


Yeah. OP should just stay home on the couch.

GVWR is pretty much meaningless for carrying a TC. Rear axle rating (tires/wheels) is what you need to pay attention to. I carry a much heavier camper on SRW F350 gasser. I am within my axle rating by several hundreds pounds on stock Michelin tires.
We travel all around North America . Always leave home with full fresh (50 gals) and whatever else we need. Weigh your setup fully loaded for a trip. You’ll be heavy, but I suspect that non-slide NL is much lighter than our EC.
Don’t stress.

Gotta go-heading out for last ski camping trip of 2021.
Safe travels, Bill

* This post was edited 03/31/21 06:41pm by billtex *

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The manufacturer weight placard for my Cirrus camper is very accurate.

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