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KD4UPL wrote:

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I wish they would give a realistic range when being used as a truck. I'm guessing 400 miles is empty, no trailer, no tool boxes or ladder racks to mess up the aerodynamics, not in four wheel drive off road, and no heat, AC, lights, wipers, defroster, etc. being used.
What's the range when loaded with 1,500 pounds of tools and supplies while towing a skid loader on a trailer at night in a snow storm. That's how I seem to end up using my trucks.


Do they do that with gas half tons?


Look, I wasn't insulting the truck or the technology. All I'm saying is since this is something new that people aren't nearly as familiar with a much better metric of describing range would be VERY useful. I think most people have been around gas powered vehicle long enough they know what to expect. Not so with electric. For instance, today I drove 100 miles to a rural construction site, worked all day, hooked up to a 6,500 pound trailer, and drove 100 miles back home. I have absolutely no idea if an electric truck could have done this or not because they don't publish any kind of data like that.

Alegedly Tesla CBRTRK will get 500 mile range and pull 14.000 lbs
So far Musk always delivered what he promised.

Mind you it will be long wait to buy one of those with close to milion reserved.
What I like most about Tesla is that rust resistant Stainles steel body,livin in snow belt Id buy it even if it wasnt electric.


I dont trust GM anymore,they keep promising EVs for way too long without deliverng anything.
Probably hopin people are dum enough to wait forever

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What happens when you get your future electric bill.

Come on man!
It's offset by your virtually zero gas bill.


Oh it’s not virtually zero...ITS ZERO...and has been for almost 6 years. [emoticon]
So tell us about your RV that hasn’t burned any gas in 6 years and how I can explore the US and not burn any gas. Sounds to good to be true?

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I look forward to these new vehicles. I personally, in my own opinion and do not speak for my employer, understand that it will take huge changes to make these viable like a liquid fueled vehicle.

I leased a Bolt EV in Jan 2020 because I needed to add a vehicle to my family fleet, and it was the best deal. I did not get this because it was "clean". I see the tops of two (2) coal burning electric generators from the back yard. I leased it because it was a great deal. My electric company rebated me $500 for a charger (that I spent $600 to purchase). I spent $100 on electric supplies so that my electrician could install. I had already expanded my electrical capacity in 2017.

This winter, the range was less than 50% when it was -10 degrees Fahrenheit. We have made one trip where we needed to charge away from home. I would have taken it on others, but the charging was not going to be convenient or not convinced it was working. The electric vehicle does better on non-freeways. Driving 75 mph does not help the range. However, my energy cost for the Bolt is just under $.04 per mile. I do pay extra for the annual registration.

I am not convinced that any electric truck would work on a "hay day". I have run 12 hours non stop hauling hay wagons. There are no chargers in the hay fields. They will not work for most of my trips. I traveled to Manhattan, KS to see my daughter. It was a 5 day trip both ways. I would not have done this in a EV. She is moving to Iowa. I mapped on the myChevrolet app, and it will take 50% longer to get there if I drive an EV. If everything works as optimized, it would be 18 hours. I can drive my other vehicles there in less than 12 hours.

At the end of the day, I wish I had this vehicle 20 years earlier. I do not do nearly as much local driving (all the daughters are grown). It would save me more money the more I drive. It is also fun to drive.

The next 15 years will be fantastic. There will be new innovations. Just look at what has changed on the other vehicles in the last 15-20 years.


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Thanks for your feedback and personal examples, Dad! I am considering adding a Bolt as well due to relative purchase cost.


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nickthehunter wrote:

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2oldman wrote:

GDS-3950BH wrote:

What happens when you get your future electric bill.

Come on man!
It's offset by your virtually zero gas bill.


Oh it’s not virtually zero...ITS ZERO...and has been for almost 6 years. [emoticon]
So tell us about your RV that hasn’t burned any gas in 6 years and how I can explore the US and not burn any gas. Sounds to good to be true?


Great Motorhome. We have had it for 18 years. So far it has never burned a drop of gas. Propane and diesel of course are another story. [emoticon]

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APT wrote:

Thanks for your feedback and personal examples, Dad! I am considering adding a Bolt as well due to relative purchase cost.


In my humble opinion Bolts are the best bang for your buck out there right now. You can get a 2020 or even 2021 for low to mid 20’s. Great little commuter and even the occasional not too far road trip. The makeover will be available 2022 and it looks nice. But the remains 2020’s and 2021’s are a super deal right now.

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A shot of one of the Superchargers on one of our routes.

[image]


Are they powered by diesel engines?


These are in BC, so hydro.


Those are Portapotties. It’s a different kind of gas [emoticon]


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A shot of one of the Superchargers on one of our routes.

[image]


Are they powered by diesel engines?


These are in BC, so hydro.


Those are Portapotties. It’s a different kind of gas [emoticon]


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Reisender wrote:

KD4UPL wrote:

Reisender wrote:

KD4UPL wrote:

I wish they would give a realistic range when being used as a truck. I'm guessing 400 miles is empty, no trailer, no tool boxes or ladder racks to mess up the aerodynamics, not in four wheel drive off road, and no heat, AC, lights, wipers, defroster, etc. being used.
What's the range when loaded with 1,500 pounds of tools and supplies while towing a skid loader on a trailer at night in a snow storm. That's how I seem to end up using my trucks.


Do they do that with gas half tons?


Look, I wasn't insulting the truck or the technology. All I'm saying is since this is something new that people aren't nearly as familiar with a much better metric of describing range would be VERY useful. I think most people have been around gas powered vehicle long enough they know what to expect. Not so with electric. For instance, today I drove 100 miles to a rural construction site, worked all day, hooked up to a 6,500 pound trailer, and drove 100 miles back home. I have absolutely no idea if an electric truck could have done this or not because they don't publish any kind of data like that.


Yah I get that. Unfortunately I think we will have to wait until there are real world trip reports out there.


Lot's of towing tests have been done already. The EV companies just don't the publish the results, for whatever reason, which leads me to believe it is not good news. On the flip side Ford and GM don't say anything about getting 8 mpg towing either.


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lbrjet wrote:

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KD4UPL wrote:

Reisender wrote:

KD4UPL wrote:

I wish they would give a realistic range when being used as a truck. I'm guessing 400 miles is empty, no trailer, no tool boxes or ladder racks to mess up the aerodynamics, not in four wheel drive off road, and no heat, AC, lights, wipers, defroster, etc. being used.
What's the range when loaded with 1,500 pounds of tools and supplies while towing a skid loader on a trailer at night in a snow storm. That's how I seem to end up using my trucks.


Do they do that with gas half tons?


Look, I wasn't insulting the truck or the technology. All I'm saying is since this is something new that people aren't nearly as familiar with a much better metric of describing range would be VERY useful. I think most people have been around gas powered vehicle long enough they know what to expect. Not so with electric. For instance, today I drove 100 miles to a rural construction site, worked all day, hooked up to a 6,500 pound trailer, and drove 100 miles back home. I have absolutely no idea if an electric truck could have done this or not because they don't publish any kind of data like that.


Yah I get that. Unfortunately I think we will have to wait until there are real world trip reports out there.


Lot's of towing tests have been done already. The EV companies just don't the publish the results, for whatever reason, which leads me to believe it is not good news. On the flip side Ford and GM don't say anything about getting 8 mpg towing either.


Rivians and Hummers will be in the wild within 6 months. I suspect people will relate their towing experiences soon after. We are hoping to move from our 40 foot diesel pusher to a small tear drop type trailer towed by some kind of EV within the next year. We’ll be watching the reports closely.

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