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Posted: 04/18/21 06:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

1. Is this international approach something that we need on this side of the pond?

2. Would It be beneficial for us as RVers to be able to access this as manufacturers of motorhomes and larger tow vehicles will have similar size batteries? EG. Flying J’s, Loves etc.


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Europe will likely lead the way. But the US, and other countries, will not be too far behind.

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We need to watch this project carefully...and learn.


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Posted: 04/19/21 01:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

No.

From oil come gas and diesel and propane etc of course, but also literally everything else in life comes off that distillation stack. From oils, to grease, to plastics, to asphalt to almost everything in modern life....
We still need to distill crude oil to get the hydrocarbons products. What will we do with the gas and diesel that is produced, or will we just not produce those hydrocarbon products anymore?

There is a balance.

There is a reason cars get about the same fuel economy as they did 50 years ago.
There is a reason Bubba in his garage can make his diesel truck with 40 inch tires get 42 mpg even while hot-footing around town.
There is a certain amount of gas/diesel that must be consumed in America each day for the balance to continue.
Too much battery and too little gas/diesel will be sold and the system goes out of balance.

Don't worry, your gasser will be around a long time...
We have been had!

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mr_andyj wrote:

No.

From oil come gas and diesel and propane etc of course, but also literally everything else in life comes off that distillation stack. From oils, to grease, to plastics, to asphalt to almost everything in modern life....
We still need to distill crude oil to get the hydrocarbons products. What will we do with the gas and diesel that is produced, or will we just not produce those hydrocarbon products anymore?

There is a balance.

There is a reason cars get about the same fuel economy as they did 50 years ago.
There is a reason Bubba in his garage can make his diesel truck with 40 inch tires get 42 mpg even while hot-footing around town.
There is a certain amount of gas/diesel that must be consumed in America each day for the balance to continue.
Too much battery and too little gas/diesel will be sold and the system goes out of balance.

Don't worry, your gasser will be around a long time...
We have been had!


Some interesting info in that post. I’m not up on the science of distilling. Informative post.

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mr_andyj wrote:

No.

From oil come gas and diesel and propane etc of course, but also literally everything else in life comes off that distillation stack. From oils, to grease, to plastics, to asphalt to almost everything in modern life....
We still need to distill crude oil to get the hydrocarbons products. What will we do with the gas and diesel that is produced, or will we just not produce those hydrocarbon products anymore?



Much of the stuff that is not burned to use can be made from recycling what has already been pumped from the ground. Some, like asphalt, is only viable because it is a waste product of fuel production.

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There is a reason cars get about the same fuel economy as they did 50 years ago.


Fact is cars are more fuel efficient now than they where 50 years ago. And they put much less pollution in the air for every mile and every gallon. Plus, the components last much longer. If most people could stand to drive cars until they wear out we could save a lot of energy making cars. No reason to change the looks every year. A E-car with the production ideas of Model T or VW beetle could drive price down

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There is a reason Bubba in his garage can make his diesel truck with 40 inch tires get 42 mpg even while hot-footing around town.


This is just bullsnot

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There is a certain amount of gas/diesel that must be consumed in America each day for the balance to continue.
Too much battery and too little gas/diesel will be sold and the system goes out of balance.

Don't worry, your gasser will be around a long time...
We have been had!


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mr_andyj wrote:


There is a reason cars get about the same fuel economy as they did 50


50 years ago. 2071 Very few card did 20 MPG in fact 60 years ago double digits on the MPG was good.. .Of course back then we looked at the Mobile Economy Run where specially trained drivers eeked out the maximum MPG not the standard we use today. (yes folks I'm that old)
Most cars held 20-25 Gallons of gas

Today.. I drive a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Lattitude that I just bought a couple months ago.... it holds about 15

it gets over 30 MPG freeway and over 20 City per the built in MPG calculator.

My old car, a 2001 Neon, roughly half the car the Jeep is got 19-25 MPG

So no, cars today go a lot farther on a gallon of motion lotion.

OH and one other thing. the modern diluted with alcohol gasoline has not as much punch as the older Pure Gas of the 60/70's did When.
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Of course gas line freezup is way less common Almost unheard of now days (Back then you could buy gas line antifreeze.. Yup it's alcohol, Wood alcohol I once "fixed" a fellow ham's car long distance by diagnosing his car problem based on reported symptoms as he coasted to a parking spot in front of a hardware. he went in, he came out Put a pint in the tank and FIXED.)


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Posted: 04/19/21 06:21pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

There are hydrogen powered fuel cell class 8 trucks that are getting 1,200 miles between fill ups.

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Hydrogen is an energy SINK-actually making is a usable fuel requires more energy than the hydrogen contains. It is also not at all energy-dense (BTU/gallon is about a third that of diesel fuel) and the molecules are so small that it tends to leak out of even sealed tanks.


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