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Lynnmor

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Posted: 04/27/21 06:13am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JRscooby wrote:



[sarcasm]Yep, yep. I'm sure that's right. After all, the last 4 years with a administration trying to stop any chance of slowing climate destruction, there was no development in EVs[/sarcasm]


I thought that your political views weren't welcome here.





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Durb wrote:

The original Volt had a gasoline engine/generator on board to charge the battery and propel the car when the battery was out of energy, an ingenious design.

An earlier comment asked the question why auto manufacturers are jumping on the EV bandwagon if not having an eye on the future. Could be the 100+ billions of dollars in the proposed infrastructure bill for the manufacturers to go BEV might be the answer. The tax payer subsidizes the factories, subsidizes the purchase price and subsidizes the cost of clean energy production and distribution.


Ingenious yes, Bev no. A hybrid, yes.


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Lynnmor wrote:

JRscooby wrote:



[sarcasm]Yep, yep. I'm sure that's right. After all, the last 4 years with a administration trying to stop any chance of slowing climate destruction, there was no development in EVs[/sarcasm]


I thought that your political views weren't welcome here.


You are likely right, but a right statement

Could be the 100+ billions of dollars in the proposed infrastructure bill for the manufacturers to go BEV might be the answer. The tax payer subsidizes the factories, subsidizes the purchase price and subsidizes the cost of clean energy production and distribution.

does not count I guess.

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You have to wonder how much better the next generation EVs will be? Will the charge range go to 500 miles? 1000? 10000?

I see the Germans are trying to catch up with Tesla. Teslas are status cars there. Saw my first EV Porsche and Audi recently. Honda plans to go all EV. So are the domestic companies.

I guess it's nice to see America products first in technology for a change. I hope I can find a practical and affordable EV.


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wildtoad wrote:

Yes ICE power comes from refining oil. But then so do tires, plastics, lubricants, medicines, rayon/Dacron and just about all clothing/cloth not made from cotton or wool. Those who want to eliminate oil know not what they will give up. We may not need fossil fuels but we will still need oil and by products. I wonder if they can refine oil to get the valued products without also making gas or diesel and if not, what do they do with it?

As far as coal, can’t make good quality steel without it.

EV’s are the near future for personal transportation. The jury is still out for ocean going vessels, trains in remote areas, big earth movers, and long haul trucks in actual use.

Project much? I will take one guess at your political party. Only a right winger with limited fact exposure would believe claim or refer to the banning of all petroleum products.
No one of normal intelligence has ever claimed or alluded to anything near that idiotic statement
The goal is to reduce burning petroleum products as much as practical, they're use in thousands of other products will continue and more than likely expand.


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TurnThePage wrote:

Sorry. I don't get it. According to your apparently all encompassing title, we in the northwest will never own electric cars because we don't have coal power.

Electric IS the future. Quit trying to poopoo it.


Well electricity isn’t provided by ferry dust!

That's the beauty of EV. Electricity can be generated in multiple ways.
However gasoline comes from only one source.


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So, it is "green" to...

1. Consume millions of gallons of water to mine lithium via a production processes that my native state, California, would never permit--due to the environmental destruction. (OK to destroy land that is far away?)
2. Mine an element that has an extremely limited supply. Lithium makes up 0.0007 percent of the Earth’s crust. Chile produces most of the element for the world market, with Australia coming in second.
3. Consume 3,000 - 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish an EV fire (while at the same time requiring installation low flush toilets in new homes requiring 2-3 flushes).
4. Create an energy cell (lithium battery) that is both a fire hazard and has killed many people (including 34 people that burned alive in the dive boat Conception).
5. To recycle said energy cell at near 100% efficiency, the material must be smelted at 1500°C (over 2700°F).
6. To fire said smelter to over 2700°F, will surely require fossil fuels (transported by those ugly diesel truck tankers, as pipelines are no longer chic, Keystone).
7. When I was young, I remember being told that nuclear power is a great source for alternative energy (it burns no fuel and no greenhouse pollutants are emitted). Problem was what to do with the spent fuel rods, as there was no operational plan to transport and store them.
8. What is the plan to transport, store and recycle the nearly 13 million tons of EV batteries when they are replaced during 2021-2030?

IMO, strategies of "hope" are usually destined to failure; as not everyone will do the right thing, at the right time.


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Timmo! wrote:

So, it is "green" to...

1. Consume millions of gallons of water to mine lithium via a production processes that my native state, California, would never permit--due to the environmental destruction. (OK to destroy land that is far away?)
2. Mine an element that has an extremely limited supply. Lithium makes up 0.0007 percent of the Earth’s crust. Chile produces most of the element for the world market, with Australia coming in second.
3. Consume 3,000 - 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish an EV fire (while at the same time requiring installation low flush toilets in new homes requiring 2-3 flushes).
4. Create an energy cell (lithium battery) that is both a fire hazard and has killed many people (including 34 people that burned alive in the dive boat Conception).
5. To recycle said energy cell at near 100% efficiency, the material must be smelted at 1500°C (over 2700°F).
6. To fire said smelter to over 2700°F, will surely require fossil fuels (transported by those ugly diesel truck tankers, as pipelines are no longer chic, Keystone).
7. When I was young, I remember being told that nuclear power is a great source for alternative energy (it burns no fuel and no greenhouse pollutants are emitted). Problem was what to do with the spent fuel rods, as there was no operational plan to transport and store them.
8. What is the plan to transport, store and recycle the nearly 13 million tons of EV batteries when they are replaced during 2021-2030?

IMO, strategies of "hope" are usually destined to failure; as not everyone will do the right thing, at the right time.


Is it 'green'? No. Is it 'greener' than mining 1,488,000,000,000 gallons of oil every year, using it precisely once, then dumping it all into the atmosphere? Yes.

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Here's an interesting piece on how un-green solar panel manufacturing was as of 2014...

https://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/solar/solar-energy-isnt-always-as-green-as-you-think



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Timmo! wrote:

So, it is "green" to...

1. Consume millions of gallons of water to mine lithium via a production processes that my native state, California, would never permit--due to the environmental destruction. (OK to destroy land that is far away?)
2. Mine an element that has an extremely limited supply. Lithium makes up 0.0007 percent of the Earth’s crust. Chile produces most of the element for the world market, with Australia coming in second.
3. Consume 3,000 - 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish an EV fire (while at the same time requiring installation low flush toilets in new homes requiring 2-3 flushes).
4. Create an energy cell (lithium battery) that is both a fire hazard and has killed many people (including 34 people that burned alive in the dive boat Conception).
5. To recycle said energy cell at near 100% efficiency, the material must be smelted at 1500°C (over 2700°F).
6. To fire said smelter to over 2700°F, will surely require fossil fuels (transported by those ugly diesel truck tankers, as pipelines are no longer chic, Keystone).
7. When I was young, I remember being told that nuclear power is a great source for alternative energy (it burns no fuel and no greenhouse pollutants are emitted). Problem was what to do with the spent fuel rods, as there was no operational plan to transport and store them.
8. What is the plan to transport, store and recycle the nearly 13 million tons of EV batteries when they are replaced during 2021-2030?

IMO, strategies of "hope" are usually destined to failure; as not everyone will do the right thing, at the right time.


Are you right sure you want to bring water into the discussion?
You mentioned Keystone. The same company has had many leaks in other lines. And the routing of that 1, a leak could contaminate the fresh water source for several states. Fracking has the tap water in some areas burning. And a lot of water is used in the process. Then there have been tanker dumping loads, and wells exploding putting crude in the ocean.

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Moral of the story: Follow the money, as "alternative energy" is a nothing but con game.

Replacing bad with "not so bad, we hope".

Yes, let's bring water into the discussion. Second reason why I moved from So Cali to Oregon.

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