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Posted: 05/06/21 02:20pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Battery electric cars are unlikely to become widespread as the cost of lithium will only go up from here. Lithium is found in relatively few places in the world and when it is found it is in low concentrations. Example: The largest known deposit in the US at Thacker Pass in Nevada has a concentration of just 0.33%.

Upper continental crust and mantle concentrations are even lower at 0.0035% and 0.00015% respectively.

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https://www.geol.umd.edu/~mcdonoug/docum........d%20Earth,%20Deep/Teng_etal_(GCA_04).pdf


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RambleOnNW wrote:

Battery electric cars are unlikely to become widespread as the cost of lithium will only go up from here. Lithium is found in relatively few places in the world and when it is found it is in low concentrations. Example: The largest known deposit in the US at Thacker Pass in Nevada has a concentration of just 0.33%.

Upper continental crust and mantle concentrations are even lower at 0.0035% and 0.00015% respectively.

Source:
https://www.geol.umd.edu/~mcdonoug/docum........d%20Earth,%20Deep/Teng_etal_(GCA_04).pdf


Define widespread.

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Wide spread would be on the order of several hundred million easy.The USA alone has around 280 million. That would equate to a whole lotta lithium it would seem.

Well, there are estimated to be 1.4 billion automobiles world wide. I don't know how many pounds of lithium it would take to manufacture the number of batteries for 1.4 billion cars, but it would be a lot. [emoticon]


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RambleOnNW wrote:

Battery electric cars are unlikely to become widespread as the cost of lithium will only go up from here.

Hence, the need for government mandates. BEVs will become more widespread when it is illegal to buy anything else.


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Hence, the need for government mandates. BEVs will become more widespread when it is illegal to buy anything else.


Nothing will be made illegal. There will be incentives like there has always been to support public policy. I expect battery electric vehicles will be the go-fast luxury vehicles and hydrogen FCEVs the rest of the vehicles.

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Hydrogen is DOA,,
it doesnt make sense financialy compared to Evs.

How many hydrogen Nikola trucks have you seen after all the promises and GM being complicit partner!?

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RambleOnNW wrote:

Battery electric cars are unlikely to become widespread as the cost of lithium will only go up from here. Lithium is found in relatively few places in the world and when it is found it is in low concentrations. Example: The largest known deposit in the US at Thacker Pass in Nevada has a concentration of just 0.33%.

Upper continental crust and mantle concentrations are even lower at 0.0035% and 0.00015% respectively.

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https://www.geol.umd.edu/~mcdonoug/docum........d%20Earth,%20Deep/Teng_etal_(GCA_04).pdf

US is not the only lithium source ffs,there plenty o lithium elswhere

https://www.google.com/search?q=lithium........-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

And thats only the knows sources,no doubt Russia has plenty too,
Stop the fearmongering

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Hydrogen is DOA,,
it doesnt make sense financialy compared to Evs.

How many hydrogen Nikola trucks have you seen after all the promises and GM being complicit partner!?


Just wait until two months from now when the Japan Hydrogen Olympics start:

https://www.fchea.org/in-transition/2020/5/25/japans-hydrogen-olympics

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RambleOnNW wrote:

Bobbo wrote:


Hence, the need for government mandates. BEVs will become more widespread when it is illegal to buy anything else.


Nothing will be made illegal. There will be incentives like there has always been to support public policy. I expect battery electric vehicles will be the go-fast luxury vehicles and hydrogen FCEVs the rest of the vehicles.

California says otherwise. After 2035, it will be illegal to buy a new ICE vehicle in California.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/california-mandates-electric-cars-for-2035.html

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Bobbo wrote:

RambleOnNW wrote:

Bobbo wrote:


Hence, the need for government mandates. BEVs will become more widespread when it is illegal to buy anything else.


Nothing will be made illegal. There will be incentives like there has always been to support public policy. I expect battery electric vehicles will be the go-fast luxury vehicles and hydrogen FCEVs the rest of the vehicles.

California says otherwise. After 2035, it will be illegal to buy a new ICE vehicle in California.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/california-mandates-electric-cars-for-2035.html


I don’t really think there will be a need to outlaw the sale of gas vehicles in 15 or 20 years. I really doubt any manufacturer will be building and compelling or competitive gas car, SUV or light trucks like half tons. Who would they sell them to. In 15 years EV’s will have evolved way past what they are now and they are already superior to gassers on so many levels. Nobody is going to want to buy a stinky, noisy, high maintenance, gutless, clunky, shifty, expensive to fuel vehicle that you can’t fuel at home.

Time will tell.

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