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wing_zealot

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I don’t know. Reading the F150 forum it seems an F150 gasser loses about 40 to 50 percent of its range towing, and that jives with our old GMC 2500 with a 350. A cybertruck with an 800 kilometres range will probably lose about the same. I can see a Cybertruck towing a 6000 to 7000 pound trailer 350 kilometres. The F150 lightning at least for now with its smaller battery and un aerodynamic shape will be less. But a lot of RVers don’t pull 6000 pound trailers, and they are not all shaped like a brick.

Time will tell.

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You’re right, my F150 loses about 40% of its range when I tow. So I can only go about 400 miles without stopping.


Yah so the 500 kilometre version would work for many around here...
You’re mixing apples and oranges. I’m talking towing miles under real world conditions.

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wing_zealot wrote:

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wing_zealot wrote:

Reisender wrote:

I don’t know. Reading the F150 forum it seems an F150 gasser loses about 40 to 50 percent of its range towing, and that jives with our old GMC 2500 with a 350. A cybertruck with an 800 kilometres range will probably lose about the same. I can see a Cybertruck towing a 6000 to 7000 pound trailer 350 kilometres. The F150 lightning at least for now with its smaller battery and un aerodynamic shape will be less. But a lot of RVers don’t pull 6000 pound trailers, and they are not all shaped like a brick.

Time will tell.

Jmho. Not an expert.
You’re right, my F150 loses about 40% of its range when I tow. So I can only go about 400 miles without stopping.


Yah so the 500 kilometre version would work for many around here...
You’re mixing apples and oranges. I’m talking towing miles under real world conditions.


So am I. If you need to tow for 8 or 10 hours a day get a gasser or diesel. But many don’t have that need and would prefer the driving dynamic, ability to fuel at home and lie maintenance of an EV. Buy the right tool for the job it needs to do. A vehicle that can tow 600 kilometres at a shot wouldn’t really have any advantage for us as we would stop at least three or four times on a trip like that. Probably more.

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A hydrogen fueled truck would make a lot more sense. The battery trucks will require an hour charging for every 150-200 miles of driving. What is needed is fueling stations.

Take a look at this hydrogen SUV. 380 mile range, 4000 lb. towing, and 5 minute refueling:
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/nexo/compare-specs


The Nexo is nice. But holy carp, talk about expensive fuel. And presently very hard to find. Still, nice little SUV.


Cheaper than diesel green hydrogen is on the way. It takes around 58 kWh to generate a kg of hydrogen and with power purchase agreements dropping to 2 cents/kWh as in the following link the raw generation costs will drop.

https://emp.lbl.gov/pv-ppa-prices

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So am I. If you need to tow for 8 or 10 hours a day get a gasser or diesel. But many don’t have that need and would prefer the driving dynamic, ability to fuel at home and lie maintenance of an EV. Buy the right tool for the job it needs to do. A vehicle that can tow 600 kilometres at a shot wouldn’t really have any advantage for us as we would stop at least three or four times on a trip like that. Probably more.


So am I. In my planner is a 756 mile first leg of a camping trip and it has 5 stops. So that's less than 200-mile average. And I'mm using a gasser.

I don't see this kind of camping stops changing when I get my Cybertruck (or, as one heckler post here, "if" I get it).[emoticon]

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My next truck without a doubt will have a ICE. Also I'm not feeling those coil rear springs, otherwise it's a nice looking truck.


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Posted: 05/23/21 12:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Cheaper than diesel green hydrogen is on the way. It takes around 58 kWh to generate a kg of hydrogen and with power purchase agreements dropping to 2 cents/kWh as in the following link the raw generation costs will drop.

https://emp.lbl.gov/pv-ppa-prices
kg of hydrogen is about the same energy as a gallon of gasoline. So you get 25 to 50 miles.

Or you could drive 3 to 4 miles on each kWh directly in an EV. 58 kWh = 174 to 232 miles.

Your call, same cost. Either will also lose half the range when towing.

Industry needs to improve the hydrogen conversion efficiency to compete economically in most applications.


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I took a ride in the new 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

Unfortunately, that's not me.[emoticon]

F150 Lightning test (shotgun).

Not too shabby but still, for our purpose, what's the towing range (and that's not what we tow).

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Ford is now planning to spend $30 billion on vehicle electrification by 2025

There is no turning back for Ford.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Ford is now planning to spend $30 billion on vehicle electrification by 2025

There is no turning back for Ford.


I’m still not seeing any concrete commitment to charging infrastructure development. Relying on public infrastructure is proving to be a bad bet for other manufacturers. And developing their super app that hopes to integrate all the public charging networks into a better charging experience is so far not working out well for Mach E buyers. JMHO, but unless there is some kind of federal international (North American) leadership like tge europeans did their best bet would be to start building out a private ford version of the Supercharger network. Same for GM and Chrysler and Rivian and...... This is and will remain Tesla’s HUGE moat.

JMHO.

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