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Grit dog

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FishOnOne wrote:

Just the names Mazama and Sumitomo is enough poison to turn me away.


Right?


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blt2ski wrote:

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The Mazama AT tires are also called Open Country. so Garry&Gayle may have put on the Mazama tire, which comes with a 60 day try it time frame. ordered in Toyo "Open Country" AT3's, will put them on when they come in.

With this said, I've found the Toyo tires no matter where I looked to be in the +$30-40 per tire range vs the Cooper AT3, with 5-10K more miles warranty.

LS FEA is about $10-20 less than the others, add in the as you note, +$10-20 per tire equal, While they are a bit more overall. From a park the truck 3-5 blocks from work, walk to and from, The overall difference is pretty minor ie $1750 vs $1700 at Discount> then Two hrs sitting getting the tires, then go to another shop to do FEA, 2-3 hrs.... or have spouse follow me to shop, bring me home, go shopping etc for 3-5 hrs, go back get the truck. The Cooper Back country tire was around $1650 IIRC. That has an older case, rubber compound, tread design.

At the end.....choose poison!

As noted, the Mazama may have a softer sidewall than the Toyo, so it does not handle loads as well as a stiffer one, but could ride smoother empty per say. this would not be the first time I've noticed this issue in tires. Be it the same or different brand of tires.

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Not trying to argue, but for $400/tire they better have been for your dump truck and not your new half ton.
The $10more I was referring to was the cheapo Schwabs tires vs the most expensive tires like Duratracs or Toyo AT/MT. Try $100 more per tire compared to known quality tries and even more compared to other China bomb cheap truck tires.

I’ve only been up here for 10 years. And when we moved here, Schwabs was ok. Now they’re as greasy and overpriced as anywhere, maybe more.
Here in the city, they have enough suckers that don’t know a valve stem from a valve job. And they’re well established enough that your average Joe customer will take awhile before they question good ole uncle Les….but they suck.

And Mazamas are Open Range, by at least that guy can get rid of them.

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Totals are all inclusive of tire, rebuild valves sensors, balance, front end alignment, 10% sales tax.....dump truck tires are $400-700 depending upon brand plus tax etc. Cheapest tires for pickup are 250 to 450. These are 300-340 base per. If I could find an XL vs only LRE, then they would be 40-50 less per when I find sizes I can do this with.

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FishOnOne wrote:

Just the names Mazama and Sumitomo is enough poison to turn me away.


YUP, wonder where they are made???


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Stay the HE!! away from LS. Tires of your choice from Discount and a quality frame and axle shop = GOLDEN.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Just the names Mazama and Sumitomo is enough poison to turn me away.


YUP, wonder where they are made???


Eastern Asia, not where you're thinking or implying.

I'll have Coopers on by the end of day tomorrow. my son was trying to see if 305s would fit off of his truck, after we put a 2" leveling front struts Monday....the 285s will look better than stock 265s, fit the 8.5" rim better too. Still don't need 16000 lbs of tires under an 8000 have registered truck. Son runs his 305s at 35 psi or there about.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Stay the HE!! away from LS. Tires of your choice from Discount and a quality frame and axle shop = GOLDEN.


Discount 285-65-18 LRE Nitto Terra graps, $277/ea, Discount tire. $230ish for 275-7018E.
One of the better ATs out there.
$337 for Schwab specials.
Sorry Marty, not to be argumentative, but you appear to be a frugal person and Les Slobs is now bottom of the list for value.

And don't even get me started on their "mandatory policy" of new pads, rotors AND calipers when all you may need is a set of brake pads!

* This post was edited 07/07/21 11:41am by Grit dog *

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LoL grit.
Discount price for Cooper is 303?!? Or there about, with a high mileage warranty etc. Comes out a bit less per mile cost. You're right, I am frugal, not THAT frugal.
Don't forget, on top of the base tire cost, one has balancing, repair of the pressure sensor/valves stems if equipped in tires, sales tax, front end alignment. That nitto tire will still get close to or over $400 out the door!

Marty

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When Les had a stranglehold on Toyo tires around here our son wanted some Toyo's on his truck. Which we had run and had good luck with back when Les did have good value and good service. got a quote from Les, then went to Discount tire on a "fishing expedition" and Discount quoted almost $40/tire less on the IDENTICAL Toyo. They couldn't stock them or advertise them locally but the trick was they would order them from a Discount store in state that Les didn't have a store.

IMHO discount offers better prices, way better warranty than Les. Basically what Les was 30 years ago.

What discount doesn't have, that they should have IMHO is at least alignment services and at a minumum suspension evaluation services.

* This post was edited 07/07/21 03:00pm by ktmrfs *


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For what it's worth, I have not bought anything in awhile from LD either. Mostly discount, and a private place for 25 years or so before owner retired.
Issue at moment with discount, is I'm trying to get best overall cost doing ALL the items including front end alignment due to a small lift, struts and having to disassemble front end parts....
Hence why to a degree discount is not part of process. I saw the new house brand tire at LS. Look like the coopers in many ways....
I've had, one of my son's has had the AT3 on our trucks, they've done well.

I'll post a pic tomorrow.

Marty

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