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valhalla360

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Posted: 07/25/21 07:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Your prayers have been answered. Dodge has heard your plea and made amends...They offer a higher rating option...It's called a 1 ton.

Plus at just shy of 17k pounds, that's dually territory with a 5th wheel.

Heck even for a moderate size travel trailer, 1600lb payload is marginal. An 8000lb trailer is going to have 1000-1100lb hitch weight. Add a family of 4 and you are maxed out before putting a single stick of firewood in the bed.


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SirKeats wrote:

That said, is there anything that can be done to increase the payload capacity?


No. The payload stated by the truck manufacturer "is what it is" and can't be changed.

Time for a truck upgrade.

The situation you have is exactly why I always say when truck shopping, skip the 2500/250 series trucks and go straight to a 350/3500. That way, you won't need to buy a new truck when you decide to upgrade the RV.


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If you search there are Up Fitters who can legally raise the cargo capacity, but it won't be cheap. They give you a legal form with the new capacity.
They are out there you just have to look.


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I believe it was around 2016 that the RAWR on the 2500s went from 6500# to 6000#. Check your door sticker to be sure. My 2014 has 6500# but I know the newer ones are 6000#.

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Per Ram the 2016 Mega 6.7 4x4 has a 6500 RAWR and a base rear weight of 3084 lbs leaving 3416 lbs for pin and other stuff. Of course the model options change that so what.

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Posted: 07/25/21 11:03am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mtofell1 wrote:

I believe it was around 2016 that the RAWR on the 2500s went from 6500# to 6000#. Check your door sticker to be sure. My 2014 has 6500# but I know the newer ones are 6000#.
The 2014-2018 Ram 2500's came with both a 6000 RAWR and 6500 RAWR. The 17" wheel/tire option (typically found on a bare bones Tradesman) had a 6000 lb. RAWR. The 18" wheels (steel & alumunium, all trim levels) bumped you up to a 6500 lb. RAWR.

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deltabravo wrote:


The situation you have is exactly why I always say when truck shopping, skip the 2500/250 series trucks and go straight to a 350/3500. That way, you won't need to buy a new truck when you decide to upgrade the RV.


If you are buying new, I would generally agree with moving up to the 1ton SRW...but you are overstating the issue based on an extreme case.

1600lb payload in a 3/4 ton is about the worst possible scenario.

We have a F250 and it has a 2700lb payload. No it's not going to handle a 15k 5th wheel but way better than the OP's 1600lb.

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Once again the two schools of thought, all weights matter, and only axle weights matter. Well your state DOT, but if in an accident, a hungry lawyer may come after you with a lawsuit for being overweight and that being the cause of the accident.
We had a 2001 Ram 2500 CTD 5 speed manual and 3.55’s, towing our current 5er we were
1,700# over GVWR but under both axle ratings. Being 1,700# over the 8,800# GVWR, so I figured time to upgrade to TV in signature.


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Real reality as rhagfo is sort of implying. Is you states SP does not care a hoot about the manufactures performance/warranty ratings. You get 500 lbs per inch width of tire up to 20K lbs per axel, 34K lbs per tandem. OP WILL NEVER be over weight per those standards! That is what I get to follow in Wa St.
I also have to have a paid for license that meets or exceeds the total tonnage I am at, including both truck and trailer! That part is easy, pay the tax people! about $15 per ton of gvw I wish to be at. Hence why my sons two half tons, and my new to me as of February GM 1500 are at 8000 lbs GVW. I was overweight by 200 lbs when I went thru a scale house yesterday at 8200. Fortunately it was not open. I would have not gone thru if it were.....
Lets get to the real reality, as I mentioned in initial post after first post. Said 5W in reality, will overload the OP's truck based on most of our typical engineering specs. Yes OP can make his truck more capable, he can my more tonnage if his state allows. Reality, a DW is probably the better option. If he is like me at one time, family of 6 with 4 teenage adult sized kids, we cam in at 1200-1300 lbs depending upon cloths boots etc we were all wearing, add in bikes, firewood, canoe etc. we needed 2000-2500 lbs of payload for family, now add in 4000 or so lbs of hitch weight to the bed for the 5W, and you have the need for 6000-6500 lbs of payload. I need to be honest here. Not too many 35 series DW trucks with this amount of payload. One needs to be in the class 4 MDT relm of things.
Its one thing to add a leaf for better handling of a given load on a truck as i may do today to my 1500, or have done to many other trucks of owned, mostly 8 lug 25/35 series SW trucks, a few midgets and some mdt's. BUT OP is frankly out of his/her league with current truck for handling the total load of said trailer. That is with out spending some $4-6K in after market add ons, like new springs/coils, tires rims etc.

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OP, if you don’t understand vehicles and their components and don’t wish to, just go get a dually like some think is “necessary.”
If you want to keep your truck, I wouldn’t think twice about dropping any pin up to about 3,000lbs on it.
The for and against banter will continue.


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