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MFL

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Posted: 07/25/21 12:35pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

OP stated:
"So I have a 2016 Ram 2500 Megacab with the 6.7 Cummins. I love it. Great truck. It has plenty of tow capacity for us and our current trailer and possible future 5th Wheel upgrade at 16,936lbs."

I am taking this to say, the tow capacity of the OPs truck is 16,936, not the weight of the FW he is considering. A srw 3500 would struggle with a 17K FW. OPs truck may run out of tire capacity as the FW nears 14-15K.

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MFL wrote:

OP stated:
"So I have a 2016 Ram 2500 Megacab with the 6.7 Cummins. I love it. Great truck. It has plenty of tow capacity for us and our current trailer and possible future 5th Wheel upgrade at 16,936lbs."

I am taking this to say, the tow capacity of the OPs truck is 16,936, not the weight of the FW he is considering. A srw 3500 would struggle with a 17K FW. OPs truck may run out of tire capacity as the FW nears 14-15K.

Jerry


We swapped over to 19.5s on our '15 SRW 2500 for this.

For a while, we also ran Method MR305 NV wheels rated for 4500#/ea, with Cooper STT Pro tires rated for 4080#/ea, which were notably less stable than the 19.5s.

We ran a full Kelderman air ride on that truck, which is the same suspension whether you have a 2500 or 3500.

We bought a DRW when we decided to go FT, and found it notably more stable (with OE LRE tires) than the SRW with 19.5s.

... Now we have a heavy truck camper and 19.5s on the DRW...

With our HO/AISIN model, at least, there are a lot of differences between the 2500 and 3500. The entire driveline (aside from the front axle, I think) is different. Rear axle is definitely different with a much larger tube. Rear brakes are much larger. Transmission (obviously), transfer case, and rear differential are different. HO differences aside, the suspension on the 2500s and 3500s is a lot more different on Ram than it is on the other brands.


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valhalla360 wrote:

We have a F250 and it has a 2700lb payload. No it's not going to handle a 15k 5th wheel but way better than the OP's 1600lb.

Better? Based upon what metrics?


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SirKeats wrote:

So I have a 2016 Ram 2500 Megacab with the 6.7 Cummins. I love it. Great truck. It has plenty of tow capacity for us and our current trailer and possible future 5th Wheel upgrade at 16,936lbs.

The problem is that the payload capacity is absolutely horrible at only 1637lbs!!

We're looking to upgrade from our TT to a slightly larger (like 4 extra feet) 5th Wheel at some point, and after taking into account our family (people/pets) and what little cargo we carry in the truck, I'd need a pin weight of like 1000lbs to say within spec!! I checked... not gonna happen.

That said, is there anything that can be done to increase the payload capacity? I can easily stay under the tow/trailer capacity, I just need to be able to increase the pin weight capacity.

Like I said, I really like my truck. Would hate to have to up-size just to get a 5th wheel.

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When it comes to towing an RV, the tow rating is a fictional advertising number. Everyone runs out of payload long before they would hit the tow rating number.... Now that you have discovered the truth, get a bigger truck with a lot of PAYLOAD.... If you have the payload..The tow rating will take care of itself



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spoon059 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

We have a F250 and it has a 2700lb payload. No it's not going to handle a 15k 5th wheel but way better than the OP's 1600lb.

Better? Based upon what metrics?


1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload


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Bought a '15 F350 SRW, SB, CC, 4x4, 6.7 in late '14 thinking this would be my last truck and 'nuff truck for whatever we threw at it. Yes it was rated at 11,500 GVW and over 3,000 weight in back.......again thinking' No Problem Zeb"! Come early '17 we upgraded RV's and despite the 350's ratings/capacities, we were over on everything. We towed the entire '17 season w/o any problems, but nagging feeling in pit of my stomach that wouldn't go away knowing we were over things. Granted a few hundred pounds, but still over. Now in '18 we decided our summer/big trip was to FL in Aug in total height/heat of summer. The nagging feeling got a whole lot worse as tires were the weakest link. In short, ended up w/ '17 F350 DRW, CC, 4x4, 6.7 and no worries. DW said she feels more comfy when she drives it towing the RV compared to previous truck. In case your wondering: empty wt of RV....14,000, max wt.....16,000, pin when fully loaded.......3700, RV fully loaded.....15,980.


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valhalla360 wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

We have a F250 and it has a 2700lb payload. No it's not going to handle a 15k 5th wheel but way better than the OP's 1600lb.

Better? Based upon what metrics?


1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload


Spoon, he’s just another that only understands what he reads and not the reasoning behind the numbers.
Funny part is him and everyone like him refuse to “try” to understand, and rather than just saying they’re more comfortable with _______ , they try to profess that they are correct and those that actually understand are totally wrong.
He!!, there’s one mod on here that repeatedly deletes my posts in a thread because I suggested airbags!


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Grit dog wrote:

OP, if you don’t understand vehicles and their components and don’t wish to, just go get a dually like some think is “necessary.”
If you want to keep your truck, I wouldn’t think twice about dropping any pin up to about 3,000lbs on it.
The for and against banter will continue.
So 16936 * 20% = 3387 pin weight calculated - you should listen to this advice - which is basically telling you to upgrade the truck


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valhalla360 wrote:

1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload

CTD vs V10... I'd argue that the Ram will pull it better, the exhaust brake will control it better going down hill. I'm trying to remember the last year Ford put a V10 in the Superduty, probably a decade ago? What is the rear axle rating on that F250, compared to the 6500 lbs rear axle rating on the Ram 2500?

You are too focused on an arbitrary advertising number (10,000 lbs GVWR) rather than the actual functionality of the whole truck. But hey, to each his own.

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spoon059 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload

CTD vs V10... I'd argue that the Ram will pull it better, the exhaust brake will control it better going down hill. I'm trying to remember the last year Ford put a V10 in the Superduty, probably a decade ago? What is the rear axle rating on that F250, compared to the 6500 lbs rear axle rating on the Ram 2500?

You are too focused on an arbitrary advertising number (10,000 lbs GVWR) rather than the actual functionality of the whole truck. But hey, to each his own.


Also that payload capacity indicates, in this case, that the Ford is 1000lbs lighter -- a heavier truck (to be fair, this is a 100% anecdotal claim I've read online, which my personal experience seems to agree with) tends to handle a heavy trailer better in adverse conditions. Much less so with a fifth wheel than a travel trailer, but still...

* This post was edited 07/26/21 05:08pm by n0arp *

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