First RV Grand Design vs Keystone cougar

[livinthelife67]

Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

[capacitor]

Agreed, but the OP said nothing about a half ton truck but people saw 150 and assumed it.

[Skibane]

capacitor wrote:
I didn’t see any mention of 1/2ton truck, only GD in 150 series.

Yep, some of the Reflection 150 Series floorplans are claimed to be under 7000 lbs "dry" - and are advertised as being "half-ton towable".

Still, 7000 lbs dry is probably not too far from 9000 lbs typical wet - which is definitely a handful for any half-ton.

[capacitor]

I didn’t see any mention of 1/2ton truck, only GD in 150 series.

[Brandon_the_Tra]

bikendan wrote:

Brandon the Traveler wrote:

tommyznr wrote:

bikendan wrote:

livinthelife67 wrote:
Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

Are you saying you want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 truck? If so, you need to post the specs of your 1/2 truck.
Bottom line is that very few 1/2 trucks can tow a 5th Wheel.

Post #1: Can you tell me about Courtland apples vs Honey Crisp apples?

Post #2: You need to post what kind of bag you have. You cannot carry those apples in just any bag.

😛 :R

LOL.....You evidently have members of the weight police in every crowd.

Ah! A member here for only 2 days, is already criticizing.:R

Ah! Is there a minimum time limit? The OP asked for info regarding the differences between two brands, and you instantly fired back your typical weight police nonsense. Just like you always do here and on at least 2 different other forums. Here's some breaking news pal. The campground I am in right now has quite a few 5th wheels that came here behind 1/2 ton pickups, and a good number of TTs @ 30' or longer pulled here by 1/2 tons also. They seem to have made it here ok and I'm sure they'll make it home.

[bikendan]

Brandon the Traveler wrote:

tommyznr wrote:

bikendan wrote:

livinthelife67 wrote:
Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

Are you saying you want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 truck? If so, you need to post the specs of your 1/2 truck.
Bottom line is that very few 1/2 trucks can tow a 5th Wheel.

Post #1: Can you tell me about Courtland apples vs Honey Crisp apples?

Post #2: You need to post what kind of bag you have. You cannot carry those apples in just any bag.

😛 :R

LOL.....You evidently have members of the weight police in every crowd.

Ah! A member here for only 2 days, is already criticizing.:R

[Brandon_the_Tra]

tommyznr wrote:

bikendan wrote:

livinthelife67 wrote:
Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

Are you saying you want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 truck? If so, you need to post the specs of your 1/2 truck.
Bottom line is that very few 1/2 trucks can tow a 5th Wheel.

Post #1: Can you tell me about Courtland apples vs Honey Crisp apples?

Post #2: You need to post what kind of bag you have. You cannot carry those apples in just any bag.

😛 :R

LOL.....You evidently have members of the weight police in every crowd.

[mbopp]

Four years ago we traded our Heartland on a Grand Design and never looked back. Earlier this summer we did a 42 night, 6,000 mile road trip in it.

[tommyznr]

bikendan wrote:

livinthelife67 wrote:
Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

Are you saying you want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 truck? If so, you need to post the specs of your 1/2 truck.
Bottom line is that very few 1/2 trucks can tow a 5th Wheel.

Post #1: Can you tell me about Courtland apples vs Honey Crisp apples?

Post #2: You need to post what kind of bag you have. You cannot carry those apples in just any bag.

😛 :R

[Bumpyroad]

IIRC the grand design brochure has a section of 1/2 ton towables, don't remember if they were TTs or 5ers however.
bumpy

[Crowe]

Grand Design. Haven't owned one but almost bought one recently. Fit and finish was exceptional. Owned a Keystone 5'er when we first got into RVing. Not the best quality. We loved how the fifth wheel towed. Very easy. Agree that a 1/2 ton truck might not be big enough.

[Bumpyroad]

grand design vs. keystone. no contest, GD all the way.
bumpy

[IDman]

Out of 150 brands of RVs, Keystone Cougar would be 149th because of the horrible lack of quality control.

[BB_TX]

Does “not just park it on a slab” mean you want to boondock in minimally developed camping areas, or in BLM type areas?

The GD 150 series GVWRs are 10-11,000 lbs and the Cougar are similar with a couple models going over 11,000. Toward the upper limits of most newer 150/1500 posted tow ratings but pin weights may be too much. Certainly within 250/2500s.

[bikendan]

livinthelife67 wrote:
Were buying our first rv. Was sold on a bumper pull but the fifth wheels have me questioning that decision. We've looked at several of both and found, both a nice reflection in the 150 series and a Keystone Cougar. We want to be able to take it into the mountains and not just park it on a slab.

Thoughts on each design ??!!

Are you saying you want to tow a 5th wheel with a 1/2 truck? If so, you need to post the specs of your 1/2 truck.
Bottom line is that very few 1/2 trucks can tow a 5th Wheel.