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tomman58 wrote:

It seems I have found more nonsense than common sense in my post. The idea that on sunny day the lights would make a difference maybe not so much but on the gray day in a misty rain near dusk they definitely could save many lives and do. All GM products have had them for years but the other American vehicles don't it seems.
I really can't believe some of the reply's here as being nothing short of nonsensical.

After 16 years on this forum, you oughta be pretty used to the nonsense meted out. ;-)


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tomman58 wrote:

It seems I have found more nonsense than common sense in my post. The idea that on sunny day the lights would make a difference maybe not so much but on the gray day in a misty rain near dusk they definitely could save many lives and do. All GM products have had them for years but the other American vehicles don't it seems.
I really can't believe some of the reply's here as being nothing short of nonsensical.


Interesting. So anybody with an opinion that does not align with yours is "nonsense and nonsensical?" I bet you have a lot of friends. [emoticon]


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

It seems I have found more nonsense than common sense in my post. The idea that on sunny day the lights would make a difference maybe not so much but on the gray day in a misty rain near dusk they definitely could save many lives and do. All GM products have had them for years but the other American vehicles don't it seems.
I really can't believe some of the reply's here as being nothing short of nonsensical.


Interesting. So anybody with an opinion that does not align with yours is "nonsense and nonsensical?" I bet you have a lot of friends. [emoticon]


That in itself is the definition of nonsensical…lol.

And how is this related to Travel Trailers? Even funnier….
This forum should make a section for gripes, complaints, rumbling and rambling….
Although it would certainly lower the traffic in the actual RV sections!


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GrandpaKip wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

It seems I have found more nonsense than common sense in my post. The idea that on sunny day the lights would make a difference maybe not so much but on the gray day in a misty rain near dusk they definitely could save many lives and do. All GM products have had them for years but the other American vehicles don't it seems.
I really can't believe some of the reply's here as being nothing short of nonsensical.

After 16 years on this forum, you oughta be pretty used to the nonsense meted out. ;-)


Yes, because being able to see a car coming from a mile away is helpful! Now of course in rain or fog they work when you are close, but not needed most of the time!


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As a privilege it requires not only your full time attention and adherence to the rules of the road but other drivers also.. No amount of lights hung on the front of a vehicle can replace lack of attention or lack of following the rules of the road.


A spot on post. I learned how to drive before 3rd brake lights, before DRLs, before signals built into mirrors, as many on this forum also have. I was taught that anything that moves, anything at all, is a potential danger. I was also taught Zero trust. Those two things have served me well.

This is like using a GPS. Great tool but one is foolish if that's all they rely on. All of the extra lights and safety equipment we have are great and helpful tools, but nothing replaces common sense and good old fashioned paying attention to what's going on in front of you. And if you can't see? Get off the road. You're an accident waiting to happen.


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Bird Freak wrote:

If you have to see a car at 4,700 ft away to have time to react YOU should stop driving.

Moving the goalposts I see. For your argument to carry water, it should state that if I need to see a car from more than 2,500 feet away, I should stop driving.

But, that would only apply if I made a ridiculous statment like you made. Personally, when I'm traveling at 68 mph with almost 19,000 lbs combined (and I'm probably one of the lighter rigs of people around here), I'll take as much advance notice of other cars coming towards me as possible. Motorcycle training and emergency vehicle operations courses have taught me to not overdrive my vision. Being able to see twice as far away is an advantage to educated people. And that's in optimal conditions. How many people don't turn lights on at all in rain, fog, dusk/dawn, right at sunset, etc.

But, by all means, move the goalposts. You do you, I'll do me. Stay safe out there grumpy...


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Back in the '50s law started requiring ID and clearance lights on trucks and trailers. The idea was the amber lights above headlights, or the extra red lights, would let motorist know the vehicle was larger, (And likely slower uphill) than normal. And it was thought that by spacing the ID lights you could judge how far away the truck is. This century they are only used as a reason to write tickets.
Back before all the daytime driving lights, and all the improvements in headlights, I could tell how far from a car I was by the brightness of the lights.
When the law declared I could no longer delete the turn lamps from my MC, I argued that until they where made self-canceling, electric turn-signals should be illegal. Nobody is to stupid to pull their arm in.
Maybe the best idea would be stop the ones without lights, hold them for a few days for mental health evaluation. Why are you trying suicide?

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spoon059 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

I think if I get to a point that I can't see a car in the daylight without it's light's on it is time for me to STOP driving.

Studies show that, even during the day, drivers detect a car with its headlights on further than a car without them on. "On a clear day with good visibility, an approaching car can be seen from about 2,500 feet away. With headlights on, it increases to 4,700 feet." So, maybe its time for you to stop driving.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1994-06-25-9406250196-story.html
Just so you know there is no "Study"; All your link is someone referencing "Studies have shown" with nothing else but opinions based on zilch, nada, nothing. No study, no data, nothing by hypotheses.

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Amazing to me that some can dig their heels in to oppose something as simple as having DRLs on their vehicle, and then become aggressive when expressing their own opinion against it. Like everyone is wrong but them.

I don't get it, but it seems like the new normal these days.


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I will normally get a very early start on my cross country drives and the most dangerous time is early am when the sun has yet to rise. Near large cites with no street lighting. This is when someone come from behind you on the interstate and you fail to be able to see them in your mirrors. Ever been there ? I put on thousands of miles with my TT each year in the dusk and dawn or even a thunderstorm and those DRLs are a blessing period.


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